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Obstruction component, asking michael cohen to lie, the trump tower moscow component and the other collusion components. >> as willie mentioned, president trump's attorney rudy giuliani said the ap, quote, if you believe cohen, i can get you a good all cash deal on the brooklyn bridge. so many different ways to break down that line given that it's from giuliani. democratic members of congress are seeking answers. adam schiff whotrote "the allegation that the president may have subborned perjury before our committee in an effort to curtail the investigation and cover up his business dealings wi...

That is, what's the investigation, the justice that was being obstructed? and the answer to that, at least in part, is the investigation of mike flynn. >> right. >> and so, you know, that's another big piece of the puzzle, mar particularly if you believe as i do that one of the other components of the mueller investigation that we really haven't heard anything from, but has been very active, is this obstruction component. >> say more on that. >> well, i mean, you know, it has been clear for a long time that there's a very active obstruction investigation. and we've seen a lot of people, includ...

Nothing about what he's found in the obstruction component. in contrast to the russia stuff where we've had a series of indictments, both on the russian side of the ocean and on the u.s. side with respect to these false statements, we know something about what they've found on the russian side. we know very little or near nothing object what they've found on the obstruction side. >> ben wittes, thank you for making some time tonight. don't go anywhere, we are on hot stand by from the michael flynn sentencing memo which can come in at any moment. we'll be right back after this. ♪ applebee's...

If you think about the entire obstruction of justice investigation, what is the predicate offense for the obstruction of justice investigation? that is, what's the investigation, the justice that was being obstructed? and the answer to that, at least in part, is the investigation of mike flynn. >> right. >> and so, you know, that's another big piece of the puzzle, particularly if you believe as i do that one of the other components of the mueller investigation that we really haven't heard anything from, but has been very active, is this obstruction component. >> say more on that. >> well, i me...

Of crimes, that the same exact conduct can be obstruction or not be obstruction, depending on what you intended to do when you did the act in question. and so any interactions that reflect on the president's state of mind in his interactions with law enforcement are inherently of interest to an obstruction investigation of this type. >> we're talking a lot about obstruction lately, and mueller focusing on that in regards to the president of the united states. does that mean that that is all his investigation is focused on? can this be considered low-hanging fruit? >> no. i think it certainly d...