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You can decide the logic on your own. according to the complaint, they didn't want to roommate suspicious they were only taking the backpack, so they took the laptop, too. that's their claim. >> what type of penalties do they face in these charges? >> this is not the end of the game. the government can come back with more charges. this is the opening move by the government. as they learn more, they can add more. the obstruction count is a maximum of five years. lying to federal agent count against phillipos carry as maximum eight year sentence. there may be more charges down the road. >> thank...

Counsels for the defendant. they told mike they turned the laptop over to the fbi. you know, that solves the question, the laptop wasn't in the backpack, but turned over to the fbi. they have already swept it, i'm sure. >> one other thing, the fbi claims in the charging documents that the reason they took the laptop was, and i'm just going to tell you what it says. you can decide the logic on your own. according to the complaint, they didn't want to roommate suspicious they were only taking the backpack, so they took the laptop, too. that's their claim. >> what type of penalties do they face i...

I think he feels the walls closing in and is in just a panic and does not know what to do. if he does go ahead and do it, i will tell you i think it's grounds for an obstruction count, because all of his tweets, all of his statements to don mcgahn that he wants him to fire him, all of his statements to fox news and certainly what we received from the "washington post" tonight. all of that is evidence of a possible obstruction count. it's not that different from, let's say, pardoning manafort is evidence of an obstruction count. >> according to the "washington post," his attorneys rudy giuliani...