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And even then nixon and clinton were still looking at obstruction counts so despite trump's alleged efforts to obstruct, investigators gave us the biggest surprise in these 300 pages. these phone records. over the course of four days in april, the phone logs show -- this is not speculation, these are the calls, when, how long, from who and who whom, all right? rudy giuliani, his indicted associate lev parnas, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee devin nunes and a conservative columnist john solomon. they're all in communication with each other during key niems and during this...

Obstruction counts. so, despite trump's alleged efforts to obstruct, investigators gave us the biggest surprise in these 300 pages, these phone records. over the course of four days in april, the phone logs show -- this is not speculation, these are the calls, when, how long, from who and who whom, all right? rudy giuliani, his indicted associate lev parnas, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee devin nunes and a conservative columnist john solomon. they're all in communication with one another during key times and moments in this story. the report details therefore a coordina...

Unseriousness that we've seen. we think about the possibilities constitutionally. there's no requirement even, is there, that they send this to the senate when they're done? is it possible if it's not a censure. governor granholm suggested this, that they hold on to it. what do you think we can expect when it comes to the requirements the constitution puts on the house. >> actually if the house impeaches the president, if he's impeached, it will go to the senate. it's not a question of sending it to the senate. the constitutional architecture here houses impeachment and goes to the senate for ...

Obstruction counts. that is what i see going forward. >> and so the way that these subpoenas get enforced or these requests for documents or information is through a civil court process if the white house continues to do what it is doing? >> right. exactly. i still think that they should go ahead and refer them to the doj because barr will not be the attorney general forever. but recognize that is a trash can but something that we should continue to push. just as a matter of course. but, yes, it will have to go to the courts. they are more likely to get things done quickly if they have the imp...

Have kept back and i give them and they say obstruction. >> 10 obstruction counts that mueller could not bring, michael, what's your sense of that and what the president said? >> well, i mean, i think he must have forgotten that bob mueller wanted to interview him and he refused through lawyers to participate in the interview and had big negotiation about whether or not he could answer questions in written form and to suggest somehow that he has let testify is farce, fake news because in fact, assert privilege all of the time. we can go down the list, bob mcgann, we can go person after person ...