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Leaves robert mueller in this position of, you know, he could just wrap this up without speaking to the president and that was always a possibility. there were a number of people who thought that the president and still think the president is never going to sit down with robert mueller and actually do an interview. but, you know, we spoke to one person who said that robert mueller had essentially spoken with everybody else that he needed to and reviewed all of the evidence in the obstruction portion of this investigation and was waiting on the interview. if the interview doesn't happen and isn...

Week ago he was saying that the u.s. should be pulling out of syria very soon. now he is weighing a strategy that goes against his america first mantra from the campaign and may skit the united states to the region for a long time to come. and he is weighing it all while the mooulg mueller investigation hangs over him. joining me now, carol lee who was on the team that broke this story. carol, explain to me what this means, the breakdown of these talks. can mueller finish his obstruction of justice investigation without talking to the president? >> he can, according to the people we spoke with...