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Pursuing business in russia and telling the media that is not a crime. but of course this could reveal the extent to which he lied or misled people about that. also another thing the president's allies have been talking about is there's a chance maybe someone said something that they testified in front of congress but said something else in front of robert mueller during an interview with him. because robert mueller has interviewed many people surrounding the president including those who worked in the west wing. they were saying what if there's a chance someone did not say the same thing to r...

With the president's lawyer because every indication ba was they still had open questions for trump himself, likely related to the obstruction probe. now a month later after the questions first came back, and apparently were answered in a way that was not entirely satisfactory to mueller, months later mueller still hasn't forced the issue. he hasn't moved to subpoena trump, at least to our knowledge. it's evident no subpoena has been served to the president. so the question is why? why isn't mueller pushing a little bit harder to extract more information from the president himself? of course, ...

Answer that. that is under investigation. that's significant perhaps. it could indicate that there's an obstruction probe out of the southern district of new york. we don't know specifically. it was that and there was the other thing that they were asking questions -- members of the committee were asking questions about other parts of donald trump's business, perhaps maybe insurance fraud of some kind. these were questions he said he could not answer because of the southern district of new york's investigation. clearly, they have a lot still going on there in new york. >> see what happens with...

Campaign, right? >> i was there. >> and everybody remembers how the clinton case was handled. roger stone wrote a memo as i just went back and forth with andy on that created a false case for removing james comey which is part of the obstruction probe so i wonder what you think. it was notable what careful lawyers won't say. it seemed like he got the most careful and quiet on that core issue, take a look. >> how rod felt about whether or not that was the full scope of the issues as to why director comey was being fired by this president, i can't say that. >> how do we have public confidence if...

Not like matt whitaker -- he didn't make this request that the "times" reports early in his administration. it sort of suggests that he should know at this point even if he started from zero he should know he shouldn't be doing this kind of thing and yet he continues to do it i think is what you can take away. he has zero regard -- the president painted in this regard has zero regard essentially for the levers of justice and for this remove that he's supposed to have from them and doesn't really seem to mind about the whole idea of an obstruction probe. i mean, presumably his lawyers have expl...