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Potentially violated by her wiping the server. the one that relates to having custody of government information, which when you are the custodian and she was the custodian of the state department documents and owe blitz rating them. that's a separate crime. >> it if it turns out those were all 100 percent personal, would that be a crime. >> 100 percent personal? no. >> has to have a government document in there wiping to be a problem. >> it also has to have a government document in there to it be a violation of the obstruction statute. but there, if it's even potentially relevant to an investi...

We must not note what carter page was doing with the russians over in moscow. i find it an incredible thing for the party that the long fought communism has somehow decided they're going to go down on the issue of defending carter page and the role that the trump people played with the russians. your thoughts? >> frank? >> i think in the long term, they're going to come to regret this as an party. it's going to irreparably harm in the near term and long-term the republican party. so there's many things wronging with this picture. pick one or two. first, the testimony of the committee that was ...

Putting the arm on him about mike flynn and threatening him in public with in effect a witness tampering evidence saying i'm calling you out for being a liar when in fact it was the president who was coming forward with misstatements. yes i think there are critical elements of the obstruction statute in play here. >> michael crowley, i want you to -- i want your thoughts on the same question. but i also want to ask you back to abbey's piece about how this altered the way everything happens in washington. you cover washington you've done so a long time and you're as well sourced as anyone i kno...

Obstruct. i believe, and a majority of scholars believe, yes, as a matter of law. a president can obstruct justice. congress has the power to cabin that firing authority, and they have done it by passing an obstruction statute. the obstruction statute, alan, is just like the bribery statute. you wouldn't say president trump could take a bribe from vladimir putin to fire jim comey. senator can he fire jim comey with corrupt intent. and there is a strong initial case, an initial case, tlae's do that he's done that. now we need to let the case play out but he can obstruct justice. >> of course he...