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350e up to people doing what's called an agent of influence. bend the president's ear and say we would like you to do this, that, or the other, being under the control of the russian government. it's a wide variety of different things that they might be looking for. but the fact that we continue to see and hear about more e-mails that come up from a counterintelligence perspective is concerning. it depends on whether or not it really rises to a legal issue or not. that's something that mueller and his team and i think others are looking at. simply from a counterintelligence analysis, it's conc...

Political reporter mueller has made several key hires bringing on a team with, quote, decades of experience going after anything from watergate to the mafia to enron. darren samson is the senior white house reporter for politico and author of that article. darren, thanks for joining us. darren, who is on this mueller team, the special counsel team? >> sure, obviously mueller is the leader, but he has brought on board andrew weiss man, a person who has kind of operated behind the scenes. he was key in the enron probe. he also was a u.s. attorney working at a u.s. attorney's office in new york a...

Coming from bob mueller's investigation senior is is it going to be leak free and site until all of a sudden here is your revelation of nothing or something or completely new, whatever it might be. >> if you accept the proposition that it's going to be a serious investigation. then we don't need to know about it as it goes along, because you know something? >> there's no fear of political partisanship within the -- >> no. here's my answer. >> yeah. >> one of the ways that the nixon administration got ahead of the investigation, they figured out where it was going. they had sources in the justi...

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To bring the goods against somebody who is higher up on the chain, which means somebody in the oval office. so, it's perfectly right there's not a done deal now. he has a lot of pressure to really deliver somebody high up. again, that means president trump, somebody in the oval office, or somebody in president trump's family. again, obviously mueller is a guy with integrity. he only wants the goods if they're true. the concern is sometimes people who cooperate, when they have a lot of incentive, sometimes they say stuff that's not true to help themselves. >> let's go to malcolm on this. we all...