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Of this law and leave sort of this zombie law that has a trillion dollar hole blown in the bottom of it -- then the president has to come out and say what he wants to do. that is going to be very tricky because there are not a lot of good solutions that don't involve phrases like tax increase or a single payer. megyn: not terms that have been very popular in the american lexicon as of late. >> right. megyn: chris, thank you. >> you bet. megyn: coming up, something you have not seen before. matt miller is a former top aide to eric holder. he says he was with the attorney general when word first...

In minutes you hear from a former justice department official who believes white house had to know what was going joined by someone who was in the room when he said attorney general eric holder first learned about the botched guns operation. matthew miller. he's a former aide to the attorney general and former justice department spokesman. >> thank you for having me. lisa:. megyn: there is much controversy told congress that it was not until, i believe it was, early 2011. he first found out and congressional investigators had been questioning that. were you at him and in the room when he found...