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The president will. >> david, it's interesting because this is not the first time we've heard officials talk about the 25th amendment in the anonymous "new york times" op-ed alleged bibiy a senior official. >> i think that the conversations about the 25th academy are not big and damaging story. i don't think that's the big story. the story really is was he serious about taking a wire in to wire in and listen secretly and tape the president of the united states? that's unheard of. there are those, of course, who argue, not "the new york times," but others who have been trying to catch up with t...

Allegedly by a senior official. he said there were whispers about that. >> i think that the conversations about the 25th amendment are not big and damaging stories. i don't think that's the big story. the story really is, was he serious about taking a wire in to wire in and listen secretly and tape the president of the united states? that's unheard of. there are those, of course, who argued, not at "the new york times," but others who have been trying to catch up with the story, that he was being sarcastic. it sounds like he was being sarcastic in many ways. >> bringing in a wire to try to cap...

Sensitive. you can either do it or you can't because you will hit a point at which they can constitutionally interfere with your ability to get the abortion. so i think the point he has made before is there has been, and this is the more complex issue i think for democrats, is you can actually significantly prevent women from being able to govern their bodies without overruling roe. >> yeah. there are cases out there that restrict where you can get an abortion and how wide the hallways need to be in the clinic to get an abortion. clinics in one state had to shut down left and right. >> absolut...

When you look at this, david, how inappropriate is this type of use of the intelligence powers, and the revoking of a classified access? >> i'll be blunt. this is not america. john said that very clearly when he compared this to the acts of a foreign despot that he would have studied as an analyst at cia. this is not the way we operate. this is political speech by a former government official, political speech. and he is being funnishpunished, or at least the president is attempting to punish him for it. the odd thing is it will probably be counterproductive in this way. i don't know of a sing...

But certainly you can see all these things are still on the president's mind. >> shimon, they are indeed. thank you for the reporting. let us know when you get some updates. paul manafort due in court this morning on the witness tampering charges. let's discuss all of this with asha rangappa, josh campbell, david chalian is back, josh dawsey of the washington post and cnn contributor is here, cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers is here. a lot to go through. david, let me begin with you and your top line from all we heard from the president this morning. >> it is an odd thing, poppy. when i was -...