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Obamacare. congressman, thank you for being with us. the president seems to be talking about this morning in the statement he just put out is withholding the subsidies to insurance companies, some $7 billion that goes to insurance company companies so that they can provide insurance to low-income americans, the people just above the poverty line. do you think it would be a good idea to withhold that money? >> no, i do not, john. first, withholding that money would ultimately hurt a lot of people making between 150, 200% of the poverty level trying to afford insurance. that would be a mistake. ...

Senator, thank you so much for being here. let's start with that question that the president poses one more time. why should congress not be paying what the public pays? what's the answer to that? >> first of all, obamacare is not hurting people. what would really hurt people is if we had passed trumpcare. we know from the nonpartisan congressional budget office that would have thrown millions of americans off obamacare. >> but you know that not everyone is happy with obamacare and -- >> we know it's not perfect. we need to improve exchanges. the first order of business is for the president to...

Pass with a simple majority, saying that republicans look like fools who are just wasting their time. >> i said from the beginning, let obamacare implode and then do it. >> reporter: also threatening to end subsidy payments to insurance companies and even eliminate some health benefits for members of congress if the bill is not passed. >> what he's saying is, look, if obamacare is hurting people, and it is, then why shouldn't it hurt insurance companies, and more importantly perhaps for this discussion, members of congress? >> reporter: senator susan collins, one of three republican senators w...

That still protects medicaid as this one does. with the assurances that the taxes stay in effect for the well-to-do, they might have the makings of this. the irony in this, had they agreed going into this that they weren't going to repeal obamacare, which turns out they didn't do, they would be searching for republican senators to go along. we could talk about mandates on all of this stuff. they did not kill off obamacare. they kind of reigned it in. in the end, it is what it is. all right. senate republicans could be caving on some of these healthcare promises. so that had a lot of folks wond...

Honestly, the leadership in the house and senate have failed donald trump. >> katrina: consistently at this point. i will take it a step further than vice president pence because yes, the president did campaign on repealing and replacing. the conservatives and moderates are having a disagreement. that's too bad. they are going to have to get over themselves because one of the things of that i think is missing from the discussion is republicans think they won in november and they didn't. donald trump won in november, and that's very different. if they can't come together in this 25th hour and c...