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Further detail about the scale of what's underway tonight? >> i think precisely. one of the important issues will be did james mattis win the argument, arguing for a more limited approach, worried about a wider war or the john bolton win? we understand there was quite a debate over this. it also could have been communicated to the russians to try to avoid direct hits on russian bases and activity as we understood the syrian regime moving equipment and personnel into russian areas to use them as russian shields if you will. a big concern about winning a war in the pentagon. another concern is a...

Was we are coordinating very closely with those two nations, with those two allies. there's no expectation ever, angela merkel or germany would be involved in this, for example, and that's what we ultimately did see. but the cooperation with regional allies and specifically with may and macron was incredibly important, rachel. so listen, significant moment for donald trump tonight, particularly given that just a couple of weeks ago this was a president who was reluctant to even keep troops in syria at all based on our reporting. now as we learned just in the last 24 hours or so he had actually...

With and injuring upwards of 500. the u.s. didn't want to do something that would just send another signal that bashar al assad could ignore. and there's also the possibility that if bashar al assad continues to attack his people and the u.s. continues to respond in the same way that sort of sets a line, he knows how far he can push and what the united states will do. so the u.s. was really painted into a corner here to have to respond in a bigger way. just the fact that this is an international response in and of itself is larger than we saw in april of last year. but secretary mattis, he is ...

What does he mean? >> well, i think i know what he means. he's saying we're trying to get ready. but i wish we were doing some more things than what we are doing to be frank. i firmly believe that if you want to prevent war, then make sure you are fully prepared for it. what am i talking about? we have the number 1 cyber offensive capability in the world. nobody is close to us. we should be attacking north korea's information systems, command and control, their finance systems and energy infrastructure. we should be taking that country down electronically. second, we should put in place a nava...

This to weapon nice it into something that will fit on a missile. they are not as capable of doing that. but this maniac regime has gone too far. no wonder the un security council is so adamantly opposed. >> arthel: so what should the u.s. and its allies do about this? >> this is not new to south korea. it is more vigilant and what our allies need to do is stick behind the un security council about harder sanctions on north korea. we had to drive them to the negotiating table. the anthrax issue reminds us we cannot let kim jong-un develop at a more offensive capability more sophisticated weapo...