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President are designed to save lives and stop the spread of covid. doj will define these laws. this is a once in a generation pandemic. it's taken more than 740,000 lives. that's what we are trying to do in this administration. to save lives. since you brought up the gop, i want to take a step back for a second and we have the legal authority. over 740,000 americans have died. people are sitting out. work force because of covid concerns. the worse disruptions businesses faced is their employees getting sick with covid. we have tools that we know work. these policies work. boost the vaccination...

>> caused a virus that didn't exist in nature. it made nice sicker who had humanized cells. that's not gain of function research? >> according to the framework and guidelines -- >> you are defining away gain of function and saying it doesn't exist because you changed the definition. this is terrible. you are trying to escape the idea we should do something about trying to prevent a pandemic from leaking from the lab. there is a preponderance of the evidence to try to cover your ass. >> so let's bring in david asher, he led the state department task force that was busy looking into the origins ...

Aware it. >> we don't get anywhere close to preventing another dangerous experiment. i think you should resign. >> we lve open all possibilities. it's more likely this was a natural occurrence. >> martha: the doctor who led the state department into the covid origins react to all of that next. veteran homeowners. newday usa has dropped their rates again. the newday two and a quarter refi is the lowest rate in their history. two and a quarter percent. just 2.48 apr. these rates could cut thousands off your mortgage payments every year. with their two and a quarter refi, there's no money out of ...

We are approaching herd immunity. we have therapeutics increasing and the covid cases going down. the grave emergency is not there. covid is an important thing to tackle, but we don't believe that mandating the vaccines is appropriate nor is it constitutional. >> martha: what is your take on how they approach small business in general? >> it's sad. we believe that ever since the biden administration took over, there hasn't been one policy that we can point to that is actually there to help small businesses. the paycheck protection program started under the trump administration. that's not an i...

Trump administration. david, always good to have you with us. first, your reaction to that back and forth between senator paul today and dr. fauci? what did you think? >> it just adds to the impression that many of us have that there is really a type of covid cover-up going on inside the national institutes of health. this whole issue of gain of function research was essentially solved yesterday when the emails emerged from a group, the nih senior staff expressed concern in writing to eco-thaelt this was gain of function of research. eco-health assured them that it wasn't. i just found an emai...