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Into that and then we need to see, of course, in the obstruction case, what he may have been trying to hide from this prosecution in the meantime. >> counselor, you want to take a whack at the same question? >> well, i agree, i mean, to me, the obstruction piece is a little bit more interesting because i think it's much closer to being a real case, so i want to know what he said in those meetings with his advisers, hi aides. thinking about should we fire comey? you know, how are we going to do it? why are we doing it, right? that's the big discussion that they clearly were having that we don't...

Are things like cuts to medicaid and medicare and entitlement reform and welfare reform. more unpopular policies. heard them today say they're going to bring back repeal and replace efforts. i don't think that these are the things that the voters going to the midterms are going to -- it's going to give confidence that republicans are the best option to them. >> to sum it all up, how a bill becomes law and your government at work tonight, with our thanks to garrett haake on the hill, kimberly atkins, john heilemann with us in new york. when we come back after our first break, robert mueller's...

Talk about sanctions? and did he even direct some of these calls? right now, we've gotten a lot of details from the indictments and the plea agreements that special counsel mueller has put out, but there's a name missing from all of this, and that's donald trump. we need to see where he fits into that and then we need to see, of course, in the obstruction case, what he may have been trying to hide from this prosecution in the meantime. >> counselor, you want to take a whack at the same question? >> well, i agree, i mean, to me, the obstruction piece is a little bit more interesting because i t...

These people in the white house. that's what i want to know, be a fly on the wall in these meetings. >> we now understand this better thanks to the two of you. can't thank you enough your coming in, appreciate it so much, julia ainsley, jennifer rodgers. coming up after a break for us, why president trump is hoping for a statement of exoneration from the mueller team and why chris christie says that is still a possibility. when we continue.

It will not wrap up at the beginning of the year despite how much the president wants him to. the next thing the republican lawmakers are going to take on are things like cuts to medicaid and medicare and entitlement reform and welfare reform. more unpopular policies. heard them today say they're going to bring back repeal and replace efforts. i don't think that these are the things that the voters going to the midterms are going to -- it's going to give confidence that republicans are the best option to them. >> to sum it all up, how a bill becomes law and your government at work tonight, wit...