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>> the last time i saw a tree? oh, it's been years. years. it's been years since i saw a tree. when was the last time i interacted with some people? years. >> but some of the staff here believe brown earned his shu term. serving a 40-year sentence for rape, brown landed in the shu when he assaulted an officer at another prison. >> me and another guy was frustrated one morning. we went to breakfast and an officer had really been aggravating me. the guy that was with me, he beat one police up and i beat another police with a brick. and i hurt him pretty badly. >> so do you think anyone deserves ...

Problems. our crew caught up with him on a monday morning as he was trying to resolve an incident that occurred over the weekend. >> well, it was a use of force that i got a call about yesterday. this guy acting out. cell clean-out day. they put a broom in his cell. he refused to give the broom back. they actually ended up taking him out of his cell, put him outside. >> culliver often has uncooperative inmates moved to outdoor holding cages until they calm down. but this time it caused more problems. >> once we got him outside, he refused to come back inside or refused to be uncuffed. they use...

It's the prison kitchen. >> everything back here could be made into a potential weapon. those sheet pans are very thin and they're sharp on the edges. it only takes one of these guys to pick one of those up and they could almost cut my head off. >> we met officer epperson at the kern valley state prison in california. armed only with pepper spray and a baton, he's the lone officer responsible for supervising the inmate kitchen staff. >> i have six, seven inmates back here now. i've got one sitting on the line. granted, i got four, five cops outside that door. that door's locked. there's only o...

>> our crew caught up with him on a monday morning trying to resolve an incident. >> it was a use of force that i got a call about yesterday. this guy acting out, cell cleanout day. he refused to give the broom back. actually ended up taking him out of the cell, putting him outside. >> he often has uncooperative inmates moved to outdoor holding cages this will they calm down. this time it caused more problems. >> once we got him outside. he refused to come back inside, refused to be uncuffed. he's high strung. agitated a lot. floods his cell. he does things basically to irritate the staff. som...

There's a corrections officer and an inmate together, they'll pretty much watch their ps and qs. they'll tell you into the camera what the other guy wants to hear. but when we met carter hill, we got some real brutal honesty that day in the kitchen. >> i don't know if y'all are going to print this, but right now, like when i first came in '82, we had guards. later on, became the cos. now i look at him and he got gang members in green suits. >> but hill was willing to make an exception for officer epperson. >> this man here, he's fair. he treats me like a human being. that's a rare occurrence a...