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The Faulkner Focus-20210727-15:27:15

Emmy-winning journalist Harris Faulkner provides the latest news with insightful analysis and interviews with top newsmakers.

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drawn, protects his life. in the months that followed he infamously changed his tune about that day at a hearing about security lapses that may have allowed the attack to happen he compared the scene on january 6th to, quote, normal tourist visit. of course, that's a ludicrous characterization. everyone not under donald trump's thumb knows that. that's offensive to people there that day and lived through the terror of it. that includes democratic congressman jamie raskin. last night raskin confronted clyde at a rules committee meeting clearly feel that business could not just go on as usual with those comments still hanging in the air. >> did you have an opportunity to see officers hodges and fanone and dunn testify today or sergeant gonnel? >> mr. raskin, let's stick to the amendment as -- >> well, i'm getting to the amendment. if you don't like the question, say you can take the fifth. >> that's not the point.

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meeting, clearly feeling that business could not just go on as usual with those comments still hanging in the air. >> did you have an opportunity to see officers hodges and fun none, and done, or sergeant canal? >> mister raskin, let's stick to the amendment -- >> i'm getting to the amendment. if you don't like the question, you can just -- say >> that's not the point. >> well i don't need you correctly my question, sir. i'm asking you did you watch the testimony of the capital officers who defended our lives on jenner six, or did you not. it's a yes or no question. >> it's irrelevant. it's a relevant to this amendment right. here >> than we were asked the question by several of our colleagues including missed genie, about statements that you made saying that january 6th violent insurrection against congress was akin to a normal tourist visit.

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and i got pulled to the crowd. luckily i was able to free myself and stand up. later on, the second time i went back to the front is when i -- officer hodges was getting trampled. i was getting trampled because the mere force of the rioters pushing forward and police officers pushing out, we were getting trampled in the middle. it was very terrible things that happened to us. >> officer, before i ask you a question, i would like to show a brief video clip of some of what you went through today. i realize it can be difficult to watch but i think it is important for the public to see. [shouting]

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situation. my initial thought was these guys look like -- they look beat to hell. and, you know, maybe i could try to get in there and get some guys some help. so i told jimmie that we needed to get in there and try to offer assistance and that's what we did initially. we started making our way through the crowd of officers, yelling out who needs a break? and like i said in my initial testimony, there were no volunteers. there were officers who identified other colleagues who were in need of help and i remember somebody yelling out this guy needs help and handed me that officer. i handed him off to jimmie and told him to get him to the back and i continued to make my way up to the front lines.

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it's time to move on, right? it's been six months. time to move on. does it feel like old history and time to move on? say yes or no. >> no, sir. >> no. >> nope. >> there can be no moving on without accountability and there can be no healing until we make sure this can't happen again. >> how do you move on without correcting what happened? >> let me ask you all one of the narratives out there and officer, it triggered something in your testimony when you said it. so there has been this idea this was not an armed insurrection. that somehow that is justification for what happened. we know the hugs and kisses and it was blm and antifa, right? i'm sure you would want to investigate that if that's the case. now we've heard maybe the

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gave them the borrowed time to get to safety, now they are attacking us and our character and attacking officer's character. people who never served in the military or as a law enforcement. it is a disgrace. my actions that day was to save you guys regardless of my personal safety. and i still continue to want to do that today, tomorrow, and as long as i'm permitted to do it and if it is demanded of myself to do that in the future. >> sergeant, this had a deep impact on you, all of you, but also had a big impact on your family. you described how when you got home you couldn't even hug your wife because you had chemicals all over you. you wanted to go back it seems like no sooner than you got home you wanted to go back.

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it is so -- but it is not the side of america that i like. not the side that any of us here represent. we represent the good side of america, the people that actually believe in decency and human decency and we appeal to just the good in people. that's what we want to see. whether we disagree with how they vote on a bill about infrastructure, everybody wants the right thing, people to do okay. i'm glad to see this committee composed of republican members also. that's encouraging. it is encouraging. that's the side of america that i say yes this is america. this is the side i like and the side that i acknowledge. >> officer, thank you. i believe in this country and i believe in it because of people

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numerous times. and they continued to do so until i yelled out that i have kids. and i said that hoping to appeal to some of their -- some of those individuals' humanity and fortunately a few did step in and intervene on my behalf. they did assist me back towards the mouth of the tunnel entrance and other officers were then able to rescue me and pull me back inside. but at that point i was unconscious and based off the body-worn camera footage, it's believed that i was unconscious for approximately four minutes. >> thank you, officer. thanks to each one of you.

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f.b.i. actually started this but one of the ones that has always held was that this was not an armed insurrection. officer dunn, you mentioned that those that stormed the capitol were well-organized and trained. i'll ask all four of you. officer hodges i know it was part of your job initially before you responded to the capitol. if in the middle of all that melee you see somebody with a gun in that crowd, would you be able to go out, apprehend and arrest them, read them their rights and go through that process or was the mission at the moment survival and defense of the capitol? i'm asking is it possible that people maybe have guns and we've seen that actually there were but this idea that well, people weren't arrested with guns at the time it was raw survival. i'll start with we can just start to the left. let me ask you, what is your response to that? >> for those people who

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