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Incentives to changing the behavior and consumer choices of americans. shifting to hybrids, setting up battery recharging stops for electrical vehicles, finding more efficient ways to move freight, getting families to leave the car at home and take public transportation and replacing gasoline with natural gas. >> this bill -- >> reporter: but the conservative heritage foundation says the problem with the idea is that it requires all americans to chip in. >> if people change their mindset we wouldn't have to have these regulations but they'll make it too expensive to buy the cars we like. >> re...

In other words the same type of initiative that fdr needed to build a bomb to bring a closure to world war ii, the same speech that jfk delivered about putting a man on the moon. if the '70s and '80s were not a catalyst, then this ought to be the catalyst. let's try and finally wean ourselves from all this arab oil dependency, i think that's what we have got to do. >> you suggested naming a task force, the president would name a task force in the speech you imagined. steve jobs, t. boon pick condition ens and others. the president said if he brought this issue up of really going after the oil ...

Together. >> and maybe even work with this terrible imagery of the split screen between him and the gushing oil which is sort of holding potentially the white house hostage. say this is it. that right there happening live right in front of your face is why we cannot afford -- >> if he doesn't, mika, he is taking the focus off of that. >> yeah. >> and, in fact, he is using his weakness to become his strength. where he wants that oil gushing out. >> this is our moment. >> -- to be shown on tv. look at what is happening right now. this is why we need to be energy independent and move the clean en...

Incentives to do good is important. we think energy efficiency and climate legislation. >> that raises an important problem a lot of people have. critics say if you are moving forward to get off oil dependency it will cost a lot and move to alternate ways of fuelling the nation. how do you address those cost concerns. >> you know, certainly we've heard those things. when i look at what china, india and other countries are doing, they are becoming energy independent because they are looking toward the future. do we want to be the folks that in the past protected automakers and didn't force ours...

Emissions for carbon dioxide. that hits coal the hardest, harder than oil. it would move the u.s. away from coal. on oil dependency might be smaller over time. even that it is uncertain you will get the 60 votes in the senate. an entire year as john kerry and lindsey graham and joe lieberman have tried to find any formula to get you to 0 votes. now harry reid has to make the decision is this the moment to do it again or do an energy only bill. >> you got back from looking at the energy situation in china. bill gates, the ceo of our parent company ge put out their report. you were in the ghobi ...