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Are pleased to welcome an exclusive former trump campaign advisor carter page. carter, it's good to see you tonight. i know you have not spoken out about this house intel memo yet more the reaction to it. what is your reaction? >> welcome a first reaction, lara, when i saw it was, you know, there was a lot of details that kept tripping out. it sounded really bad. when i actually saw it, it was even worse than i could've possibly imagine. but what was particularly interesting is the next 48 hours after that where part of the attack on chairman nunes and the committee was to come up with any new...

Release all the fisa stuff! >> laura: i think he would be worried. >> it seems he wants this stuff to come out because he doesn't think there's anything there. but because he is a u.s. citizen, when they went to surveilled him, it's not just their suspicion he could be acting as an agent of foreign power, they also have to show he's violating a criminal statute. the nunes memo does not say what statute they cite as a violation. was there a pretextual thing, or was there something that he was violating? we need to release all this information. >> laura: this is my human reaction. i feel sorry f...

They could've come out and say it. the way they did it is enough candor for the court. >> laura: it's a material fact. you omitted a material fact from the application. if i was that fisa judge, i would be livid. it makes the judgment potentially the wrong decision. >> is the key question. should the fbi be lured into investigating a -- that's the key. >> china would do it, russia would do it, north korea would do it, and apparently we can do it in the united states. >> that paragraph in the nunes memo, it's very clear. they didn't tell them dnc and clinton campaign was paying for it. they did...

Course, made the comment today about the footnote and reacting to it. let's watch. >> a footnote saying that something might be political is a far cry from letting the american people know that the democrats in the hillary campaign paid for dirt, that the fbi then used to get a warrant on an american citizen to spy on another campaign. >> i read the footnote. i know exactly what the footnote says. it took longer to explain it the way they did if they just came right out and said, hillary clinton for america and the dnc paid for it. but they did not do that. >> laura: is there anything that cou...

Reported as a known russian agent. you raised a real interesting idea about what is his status with the mueller investigation. because -- if there is collusion, he is a really important part of this. papodapolous is another big part of this, he was not charged of any conspiracy, he was simply charged of lying to the fbi. what's the deal with carter page question mikey has not been charged with anything. are they complementing being charged with anything? >> the angle i did before he came on, liberals used to care about civil liberties. i mean, those comments from blumenthal, the fisa court, th...