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Confusing the message that is coming out of the cdc, not the least of which is the idea that you should get a test, you know, before you actually leave isolation. the cdc director unfortunately seemed to really minimize the value of testing, saying, hey, look, they're optional, if you get them, that's great, if it is positive, stay in isolation. maybe it is not disincentivizing testing, but it is not inc incentivizing it. wolf, you know, a couple of weeks down the line from now, how do you then re-establish people's trust in testing if this is the message about testing that is coming out now. ...

In brunswick, there are also federal hate crime charges that there will be a trial for. there was a plea deal offered to the family and we were told this morning by the attorney that ahmaud arbery's family rejected that plea deal, saying that the expectation is they think that these three defendants will be given life without the possibility of parole and they would like to see those hate crime charges then go to trial. >> all right, diane, thank you very much. we'll get back to you. in the next hour, by the way, there is other important news we're following, the cdc director dr. rochelle wale...

Of contagiousness does go down. you asked about day five, wolf, there. roughly a third of people, 31% are still considered contagious at day five. now, let's say your friend doesn't get a test, so, you know, he or she may not know whether they are contagious. now, that's a pretty significant number, pretty significant likelihood they could still potentially be spreading it to other people. despite the fact they have been in isolation for five days. that's where the testing i think is so important. and these types of tests, these rapid antigen tests, what they do is they answer the question tha...

We have room we can improve in our communications of how we convey that science to the american people. we will continue to do so. >> reporter: but, wolf, administration officials told me and kaitlan collins it is not just the messaging of this, it is the way in which the guidelines are crafted, often by a small silo of aides around dr. walensky. one cdc scientist told me that the process of crafting these guidelines has really been shortened. dr. walensky focused on speeding up operations at the cdc, but often that has come at the -- instead of a full consultative process among scientists wit...

Changing science. but do you worry the cdc will lose the trust of the american people as a result of these frequent changes because as you and i well know, there is a lot of confusion out there. >> yeah, unfortunately, wolf, i do. i think we have seen some of that erosion of trust over the last couple of years for sure. and it is difficult to be sure to inject certainty into a very uncertain situation. but i think the transparency around these things is what is lacking . people understand that the science is changing, that the pandemic, the nature of the pandemic changes, but to be very clear ...