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Impeachment proceedings based on monica lewinski. >> who wasn't even part of the picture when that investigation began. >> no one had even heard of her. and i think the thing the president is going to be worried about, if manafort is dieted let's say for tax reasons or for money laundering or something like that, something that was part of manafort's business before he got involved with trump, does that mean that some of trump's businesses, which were in operation before he ran for president, may now become the subject of the investigation arising from? and are they looking at, for instance, w...

Testimony may be less valuable. if he knows he is indicted, he may assert the fifth and not actually provide congressional investigators with substantive testimony of what he is doing. you asked ron earlier what he could have been talking to trump about, you have to remember he is deeply connected to the russian ol garks, some of whom are ukrainian or in russia and may have been discussing business dealings and real questions of whether or not he was offering quid pro quo to the trump administration. >> and, ron, there's so much speculation about what they could be talking about but you make t...

Them more reluck about the tant manafort's testimony? >> not necessarily but it does suggest that manafort's testimony may be less valuable. if he knows he is indicted, he may assert the fifth and not actually provide congressional investigators with substantive testimony of what he is doing. you asked ron earlier what he could have been talking to trump about, you have to remember he is deeply connected to the russian ol garks, some of whom are ukrainian or in russia and may have been discussing business dealings and real questions of whether or not he was offering quid pro quo to the trump a...

Gigantic iceberg. this sort of thing has been swirling around sfor a long time, even before i got that phone call last summer, there have been rumors of trump business entangle ments and financial entangle ments with a variety of russian ol garks and they're all basically tied together as the same entity and those things have been floating around and we've been running some of that stuff down. but as the individual accusations started to be made clear inside the political community, the consultant world and people who have overlap between intelligence and government. those -- we knew there was...

Influence this election. he can do anything from, you know, command one of his intelligence services to get to work on this, reach out to any ol garks, senior businessmen or say if you have contact with trump, trump entities or businesses, he has all of that, all of russia has this at their disposal. i think you are right. there's no smoking gun, if you will, that this lawyer was actually working directly for vladimir putin or one of the intelligence services. from a counter intelligence, i would say it's likely and what they wanted to do was to see whether or not there was anybody in the trum...