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Like obama's, but it was done correctly by a lawyer and there would not even be a fine. lawyer's liability if he made a mistake, not me. cohen's just trying to get his sentence reduced. witch hunt." but veteran investigators know where there's smock, there's fire. and earlier today, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence, frank figluzzi, offered this assessment to our colleague, nicolle wallace. >> with regard to the southern district of new york filing, let's understand something. if donald trump was not currently the president of the united states, he'd be looking at an indict...

mistake, not me. cohen's just trying to get his sentence reduced. witch hunt." but veteran investigators know where there's smock, there's fire. and earlier today, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence, frank figluzzi, offered this assessment to our colleague, nicolle wallace. >> with regard to the southern district of new york filing, let's understand something. if donald trump was not currently the president of the united states, he'd be looking at an indictment in a matter of weeks, not months. in fact, he might already have been indicted if he were not president. >> and ...

This person thing happened or that brett was involved. >> when you say you have spotty memories of something happening, do you mean spotty memories of hearing about something happening or spotty memories of you witnessing something happening? >> no, i was definitely not in the room. it wasn't my crowd. i know it would have been debbie talking to me about it. >> so you have spotty memories of debbie ramirez at the time talking about it? >> yeah, i want to be crystal clear about this. if i felt confident in my memory of her tell me this happened, i would only be talking about that. this is too l...

Spotty memories of something happening. i remember debby being upset. i remember talking to her about it. i do not remember accurately enough to say that this person thing happened or that brett was involved. >> when you say you have spotty memories of something happening, do you mean spotty memories of hearing about something happening or spotty memories of you witnessing something happeni happening? >> no, i was definitely not in the room. it wasn't my crowd. i know it would have been debby talking to me about it. >> so you have spotty memories of debby ramirez at the time talk bing about it...

>> got a ceiling. >> there's an exhaustion factor and, you know, if you look at the recent polls about how people feel about mueller, this includes republicans, about the investigation, about trump, it swung i think about 12 points in the last couple months. >> in mueller's favor. >> i think there's deaf ears at this point. i think frank brings up a brilliant point that if trump merely asks for it and doesn't get it, it's a win for him because he can stand and go, well, all i want is transparency. having said that, though, i still think the big issue here is none of it is working anymore. the ...