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Seconds or so to walk down the hall from your office to the oval office, is that right? >> that's correct. >> thank you. pursuant to the section 5c8 of house resolution 503, the chair recognizes the chair woman from wyoming, miss cheney, for questions. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, we will begin today with an exchange that first provided miss hutchinson a tangible sense of the ongoing planning for the events of january 6th. on january 2, 4 days before the attack on our capitol, president trump's lead lawyer, rudy giuliani, was immediating with mark meadows and others. do ...

Limousine? >> yes. >> president trump did not go to the capitol that day. we understand that he blamed mark meadows for that. >> so prior to leaving the rally site when he got off the stage and everybody was making moves to the motorcade, i overheard mr. meadows state prior to mr. trump taking the stage that morning that he was still working on getting an off the record movement to the capitol. so mr. trump took the stage, he was under the impression by mr. meadows that it was still possible, so when he got off the stage i had relayed to mr. meadows i had a conversation with tony, the movement...

Trying to cover up the truth about january 6th. but thanks to the courage of certain individuals, the truth won't be buried. american people won't be left in the dark. our witness is cassidy hutchinson has embodied that courage. i won't get into a lot of detail about miss hutchinson's testimony, i'll allow her words to speak for themselves and i hope everyone at home will listen very closely. first i recognize our distinguished vice chair, miss cheney of wyoming for opening statements she would care to offer. >> thanks very much, mr. chairman. the first five hearings, the committee has heard f...

Vicinity of a conversation i overheard the president say something to the effect of i don't f-ing care they have weapons, they are not here to hurt me, take the f-ing mags away, they can march the capitol from here, take the mags away. >> just to be clear, miss hutchinson, is it your understanding the president wanted to take the mags away and said the armed individuals were not there to hurt him. >> that's a fair assessment. >> the issue wasn't with the amount of space available in the official rally area only, but instead that people did not want to have to go through the mags. let's listen ...

Were elevated to the president, i don't know what he personally wanted to do when he went up to the capitol that day. i know that there were discussions about him having another speech outside of the capitol before going in. i know that there is a conversation about him going into the house chamber at one point. >> as we have all just heard in the days leading up to january 6th, on the day of the speech, both before and during and after the rally speech, president trump was pushing his staff to arrange for him to come up here to the capitol during the electoral vote count. let's turn now to wh...