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Entire affidavit involving the fbi. i think that you'll see trump back off of his desire to do an interview. i think he'll point to the pending investigation. he'll point the mistrust in the fbi, mistrust in the deputy attorney general. and we're going to see this as a rationale to avoid or at least put off the interview. >> so you think that's what we've been -- i think the operating thesis for a lot of people, this is about rosenstein. it's a play to move on rosenstein, which isn't mutually exclusive. what i'm hearing from you, you think this is a play to get him out of talking to mueller? >...

The fbi and the department of justice. a memo is going to be released that apparently will show that the deputy attorney general rosenstein may have signed off on an affidavit incorrectly. there might be a flaw in the entire affidavit involving the fbi. i think that you'll see trump back off of his desire to do an interview. i think he'll point to the pending investigation. he'll point the mistrust in the fbi, mistrust in the deputy attorney general. and we're going to see this as a rationale to avoid or at least put off the interview. >> so you think that's what we've been -- i think the oper...

Open hearing and get answers to those questions. >> if comey were to lay out in an open hearing -- to confirm that, that he was asked a pledge of loyalty as reported, that the president explicitly asked him to go easy on flynn, would that constitute -- would that rise to the level of obstruction of justice in your mind? >> you know, i ran a legal aid program for the elderly, so i don't profess to be a lawyer with expertise in this field. but what i can tell you is based on what we know now and what the president admitted to on national tv, this is a pretty grim situation. >> all right. senator...

Constitute -- would that rise to the level of obstruction of justice in your mind? >> you know, i ran a legal aid program for the elderly, so i don't profess to be a lawyer with expertise in this field. but what i can tell you is based on what we know now and what the president admitted to on national tv, this is a pretty grim situation. >> all right. senator ron wyden, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> joining me now, congresswoman maxine waters of california. congresswoman, you've been very outspoken about the president's behavior. your view of -- you believe that there was coll...

It's quite a transition. >> yeah. i heard you say that, and i was watching by myself, and i said you know you are absolutely right, brian. usually presidents use the oval office especially to inspire people and to exor the them to the best in the american tradition. to basically say, you know, our health care system in this country is going to collapse and explode, which also implies that a lot of people are going to get hurt and that's a good thing because then we can change it. it's like something we have rarely if ever heard from any american president especially behind that resolute desk. ...