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Him? what we're being told is he was an isis leader if you will in their oil and gas operations. so that's very key because of the financial impact. the financial benefit to isis. but perhaps more serious, even there had been a sense by the u.s. that he was increasingly involved in isis command and control. and isis operations. and u.s. officials are beginning to indicate there may have been a reason to believe he might have been in contact at some point, with abu bakr al-baghdadi, the very reclusive leader of isis. the guy the u.s. of course wants to get. he put that whole picture together wh...

Says it was unanimous recommendation by the national security team to the president, to make this decision. but in the end it was the president's own discorrection, his call that actually makes this happen. we know from a senior administration official and you guys were having this conversation earlier. how high profile was abu sayaff? how connected was he within the isis leadership? we know from a senior administration official that he was a senior leader overseeing the oil and gas operations. but then they also add it would be likely that he would have interacted in some capacity with al-bag...

Hostile country to go after a guy that most people who study this organization for a living had not really heard of or didn't consider to be a ranking or senior official in the terrorist army it seems odd. you know you could have gone got after an oil man with a drone strike or some other method. so i'm still waiting to hear more on this i think there's more to the story than meets the eye. >> all right. michael weiss, so appreciate your insight. thank you. stay with us because we do have nick paton walsh who is live for news beirut as well. nick you've been asking a lot of the same questions ...

Molenbeek but the problem you have, and you have it in belgium and also have it in france, is a lot of those people have not been integrated into the society. they don't feel part of those, the countries, and therefore they're susceptible to people come like from isis, who say this is the way to show that you should get the respect that you deserve. >> let me move over to mali now, because we've been seeing this new video this morning of the aftermath and horrific shooting we saw signs within the hotel rooms about people who barricaded themselves in place, obviously just trying to save their l...

Ways sort of one-upsmanship between terror groups? >> well, i think you have to keep in mind that boko haram, responsible for what happened in mali, in 2014, they killed more people than isis did, so there's no doubt in my mind that boko haram, which is more or less connected to al qaeda, is basically saying, you know, isis is not going to be the only one. we're going to be able to show that we can strike terror into the hearts of people who do not support our view of the way the world should be. >> when you see what's happening on the ground in the united states, there is a threat that the fb...