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Said that initial meeting was about adoptions, we now know from his own words that was about getting opposition information from a foreign entity. so we already have that. giuliani can say all the letters he wants to mueller. at the end of the day, there is enough information here from trump's mouth of his own doing that he knew what was going on or perhaps there was evidence. >> yesterday don jr. told laura ingraham it was a bait and switch. once meeting started, they discussed adoption. none of that makes sense. remember, it was never really about adoptions, even if they say that. that's cod...

Something out that i think is a really important data point as well that plays to the question of what trump knew. and it has to do with that trump tower meeting. because if you recall later the trump tower meet, trump was not in the meeting, but he was in trump tower. he was in trump tower. paul manafort was in that meeting. i know from my own reporting that it was hours later that paul manafort attended a luncheon with trump right down the street, so trump is very close to these meetings. including the one where it would just seem odd that paul manafort goes to a meeting where the russians a...

Closed communication facilities so that we can talk without a u.s. intelligence hearing, why would he do that? >> first of all looks like we're changing the subject. you're conceding that there's nothing here. >> no, there is, this is the crux of it. >> jared kushner said about this separate line of communications i don't know why he did that. there's obvious there's some trouble with setting up a separate line of communications with a government of an adversary. >> but you don't think there's a problem saying yes i'd like to have a meeting about the russian government providing information ab...

That is not the issue. and i'm stunned that people keep coming back to that. what matters is they got an offer from a foreign government. let alone russia. of interest in intervening in our election and giving opposition information on the opposing candidate and jumped at this opportunity, at a high level by the way, jumped at it. that should concern all of us. >> i think we could safely say nothing burger's off the menu in this story. initial defense hasn't held to do the facts. thank you all very much. coming up, president trump says he's at his desk pen in hand waiting to sign a new gop h...

Violation of law. because that's the only reason you would think you would even put this in writing. this is something that is so blunt and so obvious that you -- reading that e-mail chain, i was blown away, as i'm sure most of washington was, that they would actually write this is going to be for your political opponent, this is a government official, this is a prosecutor tied to russia. that's the only thing they can say, don jr. can say hey, i didn't realize that i was doing this, i didn't realize that there was a problem in meeting with someone who had opposition information about hillary ...