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Republican operatives tried to infiltrate his daughter's -- it was just odd. he dropped out and then he came back in. it was interesting. we have gone through this before. at a different level. but tonight you want to tune in to the show. you know why? because i've got chris ruddy. friend of the president. i've got john kasich, who ran for president in 2016 and can offer more on this than either of us. and i have cory booker, who's running this time. action-packed program. >> that is stacked, my friend. >> life is like a cobweb. not an organization chart. inventories can be managed but people ...

Not an organization chart. inventory can be managed people must be led. if you see a snake kill it. you have to find them one at a time. >> if you see a snake kill it. don't form a committee on snakes. that's good. see you in a second. >> all right. talking about conspiracy theories. one of the wildest ones out of 2016 election, peddled by the president's pals. over there on state tv. and within the walls of his own white house. now the really ugly truth of its origin is known. you remember the nameset rich? for all the wrong reasons. we know more about it now and where it started and what it ...

To be saying he doesn't appear to have had any contact with isis. how can they possibly know at this point, especially if they've given him miranda rights or about to do it soon. the process of radicalization, coordination with radical groups, the inspiration to act is much more complex than some corporate organization chart. i think we have to understand why and how these various factors fit together. it ties in in part to the effect of radicalized immigrants who come into the country and affect people who have already been here whether they're permanent residents, whether they've become citi...

The white house chiefs of staff define every presidency. eugene, the presidency you described today so fully and eloquently in "the washington post" seems to be one that no white house chief of staff can control. >> well, not without the authority to control it. that's what reince priebus always lacked. he was never given anywhere near the authority that a chief of staff usually has. now, there was no organization chart. everybody just sort of reported directly to the president. he couldn't be a gatekeeper. he couldn't manage anything. you know, so whether or not he was talented at managing or...

He has to be the gatekeeper. there's no way that the moocher can report directly to donald trump, or this will be -- this will fail. >> look, gene, i think we have a test for general kelly on day one, and that is exactly how many minutes does it take him to yank those white house credentials off the neck of anthony scaramucci because if scaramucci works in that white house, by definition general kelly has failed to control that white house. >> i actually believe that's true. certainly he can't report directly to the president. if scaramucci is around, he's going to push it. he's going to take ...