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Archives and blows the dust off a decade old case that was never prosecuted against manafort for lack of evidence, and who was presiding back in those days? a guy by the name of rod rosenstein. they chose not to go after manafort. now all of a sudden rosenstein is presiding over mueller in the special counsel case. he is bringing action against manafort. >> rick gates has turned against him, right? former business partner. and it appeared that the difference for men a fort was going right after rick gates. >> they are saying that man a fort didn't intend to break the law. if he did violate tax...

Manafort thing that he's the person that everybody should be siding with over mueller, aka the department of justice? >> it's completely unrealistic and i think the governor is right, crooks tend to think that loyalty to them is absolute. their loyalty to others is another matter altogether. but i just want to pick up on something that betsy was saying that i think is absolutely crucial here. first of all, there has been much talk not only that the president can't commit obstruction of justice, but that there is nothing there that ties trump to any of this. and what we know already is the trum...

Trade. cooperating didn't possible because he didn't collude are the russians at the trump campaign's request. at the trump campaign's q meaning he could have done something solo. what does your reporting say about if there is anything to cooperate on? >> that's the question. anybody who knows what paul manafort knows would likely have something to be able to proffer to mueller and his team. mueller is working with anybody willing to work with him. he's working with george papadopoulos, other folks from the campaign, rick gates -- he clearly wants manafort. >> i'll let you finish, but all papa...

Now, when that news broke, basically everyone understood it because mueller was asking a judge to revoke manafort's bail over the allegations that he was trying to get witnesses to lie for him. the people turned over text messages from manafort and he had been trying to conceal all that effort to encrypted messaging apps. tonight, mueller is not only say thoegz everies should land manafort in trial, as we learned earlier, tonight, bob mueller is saying those efforts constitute new crimes and thus man stay fort and his employee should be sentenced for that obstruction and conspiracy. whatever p...

Bob mueller firing back saying those are evidence of new crimes. >> that's right. i think hutzpa is the perfect world for paul manafort trying to shift the way the investigation. today i believe, besides the day he was first indicted today was probably the worst day thus far for paul manafort, and that's because today dramatically ratcheted up the likelihood that he could end up going jail. earlier this week when the motion came down from mueller's team saying that manafort appeared to have obstructed justice, it was unclear on what kind of impact that could have had on paul manafort's freedom...