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So we balance the budget within 10 years, which is more than anybody else does -- >> heritage cuts more than any of these other plans -- >> it has to be done. it has to be done. i was brawrt up in europe. i have seen the results of this and everybody's seeing it on television today, the results of over spending in europe. we are to get this under control and stop giving benefits to people who don't need them, in these promise, in the big entitlement programs. >> i should be clear, you balanced the budget, none of the other plans do. >> that's right. >> you means test entitlements. >> they are ...

On the extraordinary over-spending and deficits? frankly, he didn't address those issues in a way that convinced people. there's probably the biggest reality gap we've seen in a long time with the president. his words were all over the place. inspiring in some cases. the reality of what he's done was so different than what he said, people had to be as stunned as the people in the add . you didn't hear a lot of applause. -- i think they were surprised, unemployment people out of work, deficits at record levels, that the president seemed to cavalier -- seemed cavalier dealing with those issues. ...