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Intelligence back in the day and we talked to him. we have talked to him repeated repeatedly. he was at my office several months ago at a reception. i don't know how carter page feels, but we have carried his side of this.t t you dismissed something before. a lot of it is the collusion story and the wild allegations of collusion. the tower story that michael cohen is going to jail about lying, the story you feel cohen?-- and you and i disagree on what cohen said. it's not a collusion story. it's a real estate story. it is a great real estate story. >> tucker: i am aware of that. >> [overlappin...

We only believed he went to prague because you ran the story. you never ran a follow-up story informing your readers of that. why? >> that's totally false. in weeks of publishing the dossier, we were reaching out to cohen and we photographed the inside of his passport. we published his denial that he went to practicing. >> tucker: hold on. i just read that story 20 minutes ago. >> [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: i just read the story you published. it did not say because you didn't have evidence that he didn't go to practicing. -- prague. last week we had him under oath saying he didn't go t...

Victims of real hate crimes that should be believed. >> not true. >> it's up 17%. >> oh, man! >> [overlapping talking]. >> i will do it in the commercial. >> no, no, no. >> we need to employ skepticism. >> let me finish my point. the week this happened there was a real hate crime perpetrated in another part of the country. but because it was not a celebrity, nobody cared. >> the guy that got punched at berkeley? >> no, this is not funny. hate crimes are a problem. >> no, no. i am not making a joke. that was a legit hate crime. >> that was actually filmed. >> this person did something that hurt...

It's so bad. it's not working. if you compare drugs that are long lasting. these moments are like crack and last about 15 minutes. it's not a long high. >> if you have trump derangement syndrome the doctor will prescribe harsh oversight? >> exactly. >> i think it's a backlash from the benghazi hearings. it's the first time they have had the gavel back. >> these are real criminal allegations of wrongdoing by the president. >> [overlapping talking]. >> these are real allegations. >> all right. wait until you hear how one media outlet is trying to excuse jussie smollett hate crime hoax

Took anybody's campaign contributions to do this. or that he was doing anything beyond what often happens in government which is people get together and say what is the best way to handle this? the only supposed benefit he was going to get out of this was the voters in quebec would be happy. i am not sure that's a horrible scandal. to indulge in canadian stereotyping here. this is the ultimate scandal because it's all about a violation. >> shannon: trying to influence a decision that could impact you because of jobs lost during your tenure. >> [overlapping talking]. >> but in montreal where th...