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At a time when russia tried to interfere with the american elections. >> look, if paul ryan wants the oversight function to have credibility in his house it has to be a change. right? he has destroyed the credibility of the investigation. and to pull back for a second, this entire episode, this whole thing starts with a tweet from donald trump to get people off of the russia stuff. it's amazing. it's like a month later, we're still talking about it all over the place. >> there's two tragedies here. number one, to your point, he lied, automatic. as we're seeing in this presidency, truth and lyi...

>> it was a study of contrast. i don't want to say it diminished the house but it celt a high bar the house should try to reach as well. they're co equal houses of congress and they should strive to meet that high bar. >> whauv if we've seen the best days of the house intelligence committee investigation? >> that would be a shame and undermine an important oversight function. the permanent select committee, the senate select committee were started in the 1970s, after the watergate abuses from the church and pike hearings and these are major institutions that really step into the shoes of the a...

They're co equal houses of congress and they should strive to meet that high bar. >> whauv if we've seen the best days of the house intelligence committee investigation? >> that would be a shame and undermine an important oversight function. the permanent select committee, the senate select committee were started in the 1970s, after the watergate abuses from the church and pike hearings and these are major institutions that really step into the shoes of the american people to watch the secret operations of our government. these oversight functions are actually the envy of the world and we go a...

>> is that the consensus among people who have been around like john mccain and yourself, in terms of the particulars of the chairman's behaviors, he gets some communication, but then brings him to the white house in order to examine it. does that -- is that something you ever heard of before. >> no, that makes no sense and as i think back over chairman that i worked with of both parties, i can't imagine any one of them doing something like this. let's go to 30,000 feet here. i think -- there's more than just a game being played here. this is, in a way, a threat to our checks and balances syst...

Some of the stuff didn't seem to him to have intelligence value, yet it was circulating around. i'd like to know more about that. >> you worked at the cia, i thought it was interest, he made it clear he did not get it to the heads of the agencies and now wants to know why he didn't get information from the heads of the agencies. what do you think happened here? >> he made a suggestion that somebody kind of slipped it to him under the table. basically -- >> whistle blower -- but it was illusi illusion. >> or someone who had the same political affinity as he did or someone who had the same as th...