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With that, we welcome back the former director of the cia and also acting director. thank you so much for coming back on with us. i would like the begin with your answer for a lay audience, and i count myself among them. what to you is the biggest danger of the release of this memo? >> i think the biggest danger here is that it upends the intelligence oversight process in the use. these two committees were created in the 1970s to ensure the american public after a period of scandal, including watergate, that there wouldn't go any hachk hanky panky in the world and they would be staffed by cong...

He will put on his appraisal, i got fbi pitted against the white house, congress against the fbi, the white house against its own department of justice. >> that gets your attention. with that, we welcome back the former director of the cia and also acting director. thank you so much for coming back on with us. i would like the begin with your answer for a lay audience, and i count myself among them. what to you is the biggest danger of the release of this memo? >> i think the biggest danger here is that it upends the intelligence oversight process in the use. these two committees were created ...

Cleanse the memo from disclosing unauthorized sources or get it to a point where they can live with the release. i think the white house decided this is going to come out and it's going to happen. >> when the president says 100%, he wants it. >> ken, unlike a piece of evidence, a document, this memo is a narrative. it is an opinion on the part of the republicans. to tom's point, it can be edited and changed. they can shrub it of all the stuff the justice department doesn't want to come out. it's not evidence, right? >> it's talking points. four pages based on hundreds of pages of underlying ma...

White house. this is not unusual, but it is to this extent. >> weaponized. >> finally you have the overlay of the fact people inside the bureaucracy are simply not trustful of people in charge of the bureaucracy, so there's a relationship between the press and people deep inside as basically an alternative to the normal oversight process that has broken down. >> not even just not trust full, you talk to enough people and you will find people find elements of the administration to be dangerous. a lot of the leaks you are getting -- >> people in the bureaucracy. >> exactly. you could not normall...

May not know anything. >> right. and the second thing is there's so much factionalism in the white house people are constantly selling stories against their own inside the white house. this is not unusual, but it is to this extent. >> weaponized. >> finally you have the overlay of the fact people inside the bureaucracy are simply not trustful of people in charge of the bureaucracy, so there's a relationship between the press and people deep inside as basically an alternative to the normal oversight process that has broken down. >> not even just not trust full, you talk to enough people and you...