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Witnesses come in from the white house for anything -- he's not letting them come in to talk about immigration. we're not just talking about criminal investigations. it's the entire oversight process that's being challenged. everything happened really quickly during watergate, and they are doing a much better job of dragging their feet. the courts acted on the expedited cases and things went fast. and the one thing you left out in what happened in that period was we had subpoenaed in the prosecution office 64 additional tapes, one of which was the smoking-gun tape. and the minute that got hear...

Of congress, which is just as bad as the obstruction, just as bad as the abuse, maybe even more so because it's destroying democracy which is built on having checks and balances and having oversight. and if you say i won't have any witnesses come in from the white house for anything, he's not letting them to come in and talk about immigration. we're not just talking about criminal investigations. it's the entire oversight process being challenged. everything happened really quickly during watergate and they're doing a much better job of dragging their feet. the courts expedited cases and thing...

Something, it spikes. we saw it with mueller, and we saw it when mueller made indictments and the whole point of the impeachment is to educate. >> and chris, do you want to respond to philippe saying that, where are you right now on the prospect of the impeachment or at least the inquiry? >> until 10 days ago, alex, i believed that the overall oversight process would be enough to keep this president in check. it is very clear that for democrats, not having done something significant, and not only after the mueller investigation, and even before then has enabled the president's bad behavior and...

About mueller and whether the president's conduct was obstruction. we are seeing things that are a normal part of the oversight process. he wants to say this is impeachment but also a little leery to do that so to get to that place he has to go through the investigative process and that is where we are, that is the duty what the constitution says their job is and that is what we are seeing. daymac that is coming across the same time we have the 302s on bruce abca26, last night, jerry nadler announced democrats are doing and impeachment inquiry. the same day they announced it, confirmed what we...

How do you respond to your colleagues? there's an oversight process. we have lawsuits teed up. the way to do this is to build the evidence and so on. your colleagues seem to think that the oversight process is insufficient. >> i think we do that in impeachment. we're going to see in getting mcgahn out there. what is the grand jury testimony? that's the main course. you say indict. not that you came to a ham sandwich, but that's what you do. >> help us understand what jerry nadler did. by doing that, he is moving ahead with impeachment proceedings.