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Federal agency that enforces immigration law, that's not going to help them pick those up. it sort of reminds me of republicans used to say abolish the irs and sure, it really rubbed up people on far right. but people know you can't abolish the irs, it collects taxes. they might hate the irs but it's not going to win any swing votes and this could alienate swing votes. >> i think rachel is right where democrats need to pick up seats. it's in suburb ban districts, they had the upper hand with the family separation policy. then the president sort of stumbled into a policy getting out of this who...

They would do that. the real question becomes whether or not they get 50 votes. kevin brady, has to do a deal with his blue state members from california and new york and other high tax states that makes it pal atable to get rid of the state and federal tax deduction. he's one of the most respected members of the house, the question remains, do they get 50 votes in the senate and do they get some democrats especially democrats like john tester in montana and casey in pennsylvania, people who need to win states that were won by donald trump in 2018, joe donnelly in indiana, i think the chances ...

That's the real choice. >> when we talk about the policy questions and our first read from the political team laid it out, politics versus policy, it is not what you're discussing but whether the question of whether there is a fourth tax bracket added. house speaker paul ryan was talking about this saying essentially if you have a fourth bracket for the highest income earners, you won't get a tax cut, which might make this more pal palatable for democrats to come aboard. >> that's part of the negotiation from the beginning. the difficulty for republicans is that these are not on a piece of pap...

>> it's bs. >> i think that -- i think it's intsing they use comedy venues as a way to make issues more pal atable and understanding. when obama went between two friends to talk about obamacare. that was a great way to reach a new audience that wasn't aware of the parts of obamacare that he wanted them to be aware of. i think that's -- it seems that that's why they go on it more than to humanize because they're trying to hide from -- >> it's not a hide. but it is becoming more of a comfortable place for them to go. >> yeah. >> i think that sometimes john stewart has done more hard hitting inte...

Coming from. >> there's this thing that leaders have when they stand in front of you that is a voice that a lot use. that is bull. >> fair enough. >> bs if that's what you want to say. i will let you do that. it's sunday morning. >> it's bs. >> i think that -- i think it's intsing they use comedy venues as a way to make issues more pal atable and understanding. when obama went between two friends to talk about obamacare. that was a great way to reach a new audience that wasn't aware of the parts of obamacare that he wanted them to be aware of. i think that's -- it seems that that's why they go...