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To be able to use people that they thought were amenable to their views, to try to improve relations with the united states and also, you know, the top of their list is they wanted to get rid of the sanctions that are hurting vladimir putin and some of his krone i didn't see and really keeping them from some of the bank accounts, frozen some of their bank accounts around the world. so what you see here in the papadopoulos document is a bit of an outline of what looks like collusion. i mean, again, we've talked so many times, don, about the fact that collusion in itself is not a crime, but cert...

>> to nick's point, there are three individuals that are mentioned in the papadopoulos document. campaign supervisor senior policy adviser, high-ranking campaign official. we don't have definitive -- we have some source saying one of those campaign supervisor might be paul manafort. >> right. >> we don't definitively know who the others are. >> some are done in the plural too. so there is a number of people. >> there is also, carrie, i want to come back to this timeline issue. this really strikes me as significant. the world does not know until june that there are these e-mails that have been ...

Nia mallika henderson. and john dean, president nixon's white house council during watergate. homo men to us is today. >> i thought it was a pretty big day. >> the manafort timing was interesting, in that they let that go out with the papadopoulos document or the guilty plea they had there, right after the white house said, there's nothing to look at here, i think it was a big day, and it was well orchestrated by the special council. and certainly -- to me, that's just the tip of the iceberg we saw today, and there's much more to come. >> tip of the iceberg, jeffrey, papadopoulos pleaded guilt...

Trump, that news ultimately will not be as widespread significant as this russia news. >> could this, barbara, be just the beginning? how do you see this? is this the first step here in terms of paul manafort, for example? where do you see -- what does today tell you and what are the questions that you still have? >> i do think in is just the first step. i agree with ari the more significant case today we learned about are the charges against george papadopoulos. and i think the timing of unsealing both of these on the same day is no coincidence. >> why? >> mueller and his team are doing this ...

Fbi, being subpoenaed, what do i tell them, what do i do? and i'll bet anything that they've got a whole array of tapes that have already been made, and there are a lot of other people in mueller's sights. >> to nick's point, there are three individuals that are mentioned in the papadopoulos document. campaign supervisor, senior policy adviser, high-ranking campaign official. we don't have definitive -- we have some source saying one of those campaign supervisors might be paul manafort. >> right. >> we don't definitively know who the others are. >> some are done in the plural too. so there is ...