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When the chairman of the house veterans affairs committee speaks out. detailing the extent of the phoenix va's alleged fraud saying two sets of records were kept, one that was secret with the real and lengthy wait time, another that falsely showed bogus two-week waits. investigators believe as many as 40 veterans may have died while waiting for appointments. dr. foot later appeared on the kelly files. >> you say literally that veterans are dying and have died as a result of this shody system at the phoenix va where they are ignoring veterans until they die. explain? >> what happened was in feb...

Further testing, if there was cancer, they could have gave him the care he needed. >> retired dr. foot blue -- blew the wifle. >> in february 2013, they started a secret paper list. when they come into an appointment, they at that point -- tap your information in the computer and print it. >> why would this administrator and those underneath her do this? >> well, we felt it was part of a scheme to try to get herself a bonus by having the waiting times look better than they really were. >> sharon helmman the director of the phoenix va health system is denying involvement. >> i have never direct...

But you say, literally, that veterans are dying and have died as a result of this shotty system at the phoenix va where they are literally just ignoring veterans until they die. explain. >> well, megyn, what happened was in february of 2013, they started a secret waiting list, it was a paper list. so when you would come in for an appointment. they would tap your information into the computer and rather than hit save, they would print it and there was actually no record you had been there in the computer. they would take that piece of paper up to has, up to the administration services and then ...

What the va wants is they want their hospitals to go ahead and see the veterans as kwibquickly possible. so because they had this real list and they had the paper list they shredded, they didn't put the names on the real list until two weeks before they could see somebody. so veterans were still waiting months and months and months to see the doctors, but when you look at it from the washington, d.c. headquarters, it's like, look at that. phoenix, arizona is doing really good. they're seeing people within 10 to 14 days. then we pulled back the onion skins and discovered there was mass corrupti...

Line day in, day out for us. now they're on a list called left to die, that may not even exist post time. a retired veterans affairs doctor was on "the kelley file" coming forth and break sig lens for the first time. >> what happened in february 2013, they started a secret list which was a paper list. when you would come in for an appointment, they would tap your information into the computer, and rather than hit save, they would print it, and then there was actually no record that you had been there in the computer. they would take that piece of paper up to health administration services, and...