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Chief edward flinn who was a proponent of the assault weapons ban and republican senator lindsay graham. take a listen. >> just for the record from my point of view, senator -- >> how many cases have you -- >> it doesn't matter. it's a paper thing. i want to stop 76 -- i want to finish the answer. >> no. >> i want to stop 76,000 people from buying guns illegally. that's what a background check does. if you think we're going to do paperwork prosecutions, you're wrong. [ applause ] >> with me now mark hayes director of mayors against guns. you hear that sharp exchange and senator feinstein actua...

That's up since january and shows the power of president obama's campaign on this matter. today's hearing was unusually emotional with tears, applause, and one particularly heated exchange that came between senator lindsey graham who was acting inexplicably today and edward flynn. let's listen to this. >> just for the record from my point of view, senator -- >> how many cases have you made -- >> it doesn't matter. it's a paper thing. i want to stop 76 -- i want to finish the answer. >> well, no -- >> i want to stop 76,000 people from buying gunning illegally. that's what a background check doe...

A bit of a barometer, an indicator that the economy is having some problems that they are not doing as well as they otherwise might. but in the -- at the end of the day, it's not something for a depositor or someone taking out a loan to worry about. investors need to pay attention to it because it does effect the cost of money to those banks but only at the margin. >> bill: those banks will have to pay more to get money in or something like that. >> that's right. it's suggests that they are riskier when things are riskier. you have to pay more for the privilege. that's exactly what's going on....

A bit of a barometer, an indicator that the economy is having some problems that they are not doing as well as they otherwise might. but in the -- at the end of the day, it's not something for a depositor or someone taking out a loan to worry about. investors need to pay attention to it because it does effect the cost of money to those banks but only at the margin. >> bill: those banks will have to pay more to get money in or something like that. >> that's right. it's suggests that they are riskier when things are riskier. you have to pay more for the privilege. that's exactly what's going on....

Indicator that the economy is having some problems that they are not doing as well as they otherwise might. but in the -- at the end of the day, it's not something for a depositor or someone taking out a loan to worry about. investors need to pay attention to it because it does effect the cost of money to those banks but only at the margin. >> bill: those banks will have to pay more to get money in or something like that. >> that's right. it's suggests that they are riskier when things are riskier. you have to pay more for the privilege. that's exactly what's going on. >> bill: are these banks...