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Hold on security assistance." is that your recollection of the conversation as well? >> not exactly. >> how does yours differ? >> i recall talking about the statement we discussed earlier, the one that was the subject of these exchanges between mr. yermak and myself. myself and ambassador sondland and rudy giuliani, and then back to yermak. this was an effort that we were doing that it could be helpful in getting a reset of the thinking of the president and the negative view of ukraine that he had. and if we did that, i thought that there would also be helpful in unblocking whatever hold their...

Tempting attempting to schedule was one between the president and president zelensky. >> right. but it was before this that dr. hill had told you about burisma and ambassador sondland and his desire for this parallel process to investigate burisma, right? >> yes. >> so you had that association when you received his email asking you about investigations, correct? >> not necessarily. >> no? >> no. >> why not? >> because ambassador -- among the discussions i had with dr. hill were about ambassador sondland, i think she might have coined it "the gordon problem." and i decided to keep track of what...

To the burisma -- >> i was thinking about burisma and 2016. >> and you understood that's what the ukrainians interpreted references to investigations to be, related to burisma and the 2016 election? >> i -- i don't know specifically at that time if we had talked to that specifically, burisma, 2016, with president -- that was my assumption, though, that they would have been thinking that too. >> now, mr. morrison, when did you have that conversation with fiona hill about burisma and the parallel track involving -- parallel process, rather, involving ambassador sondland and rudy giuliani, do you...

Lift the hold on security sa they all came back. they all came back and told the assistance. is that your recollection of the president. hey, mr. president, this guy's conversation as well? >> not exactly. >> so how does yours differ? real. go ahead and release the dollars. oh, by the way in that same time >> i recall talk aboing about t frame you know what else happened? their parliament, their newly elected parliament as mr. one we discussed earlier, the morrison testified to, stayed up one between myself and rudy all night to pass the reform giuliani and back to yermak. measures, get rid of...