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Michael flynn. his legal team said there's no such plan in the works. do you think the president could resist using the pardoning power for whoever gets tangled up in this? >> who knows? i've long since given up trying to predict what this president will or won't do. he obviously pardoned joe arpaio. i have no idea what he had in his mind. one thing i do know is that it looks like michael flynn is cooperating with robert mueller, and the president just injected sort of a get out -- a potential get out of jail free card to michael flynn. stop talking, because whatever it is that mueller does to...

Think it is respected as they will let bob mueller do his job. >> the pardons are not being talked about currently. same thing from sarah sanders yesterday, they have not had those discussions at this point. the president claimed before he has the full power to pardon. is that true? >> well, i think it is true in a legal sense. the constitution gives the president exceedingly broad range to pardon. so the president's pardoning power is broad and robust. that said, the president pays a political price if he exercises the pardon in a way the american public rejects. >> is this for federal crimes...

Say. i don't care what 65% all of cans say. i think he is senting a message to the manaforts. be not afraid. i can pardon. i will. >> something richard on the phone with us brought up earlier. this is something that, richard painter is gone, saying the white house has been sending messages all along the power does exist. and we know from some reporting over time, also the president has asked questions about the power of the pardon. former attorney general of the state of virginia, still on with us right now. you know the law, ken. do you take that message from this that the president would be ...

Country, i think largely based on where they start. where you end up is going to be based on where you start. let me just make one quick point. i understand the concerns about this pardon if you're in the obama justice department and you're making a decision like they did to start right at election time to move on this guy criminally, it shouldn't politically -- it was a political prosecution. this is a political pardon. and those two go together frankly. it's pardon of why the pardoning power exists for the president. >> i don't want to put words in your mouth or thoughts in your head. i get ...

Limits of the president's pardoning power when we consider the russia investigation? how are you reading it in big picture context? >> this decision by president trump to pardon sheriff joe will bring a lot of backlash and criticism, particularly from those who have already been critical of the president and his response to charlottesville. these things will be intrinsically tied together. it is a very controversial pardon to make. i do think we will see the white house weighing just how much of a response they get, just how much of a distraction it is from some of the other things that are go...