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Look up after one term or even two terms and discover that this was more about symbolism than substance. the bottom line is to answer your question great presidents aren't born. great presidents are made. they have to be pushed into their greatness. there is no abraham lincoln without frederick douglas pushing him. there is no lbj without mlk pushing him. great presidents become great because they're ushered, pushed into their greatness. i don't want barack obama to be just another garden voter politician. this can't be just about symbol him and not substance. and at the end of the day he can'...

That -- and then some of the democrats are irresponsible saying that we can't touch any of those programs. in reality, if you understand the numbers of our debt, we've got to compromise on everything. and, frankly, that's way more important than whether or not i get re-elected. >> and social security, raising the retirement age, you open to it at all? >> well, i don't know that we have to raise the retirement age. i think we can look at some other things, you know. it may be that for the next generation, maybe people that still aren't born, it would go up slightly. but more importantly, you kn...