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All work out when the pain is borne by other people. but those other people now number in the millions from this shutdown, as i was just discussing with senator boxer. many people want to divide us by ideology or identity or location. this boils down to whether you care about the u.s. government or not. if you do, then left to right, you might be wary of giving the keys to someone with no experience or demonstrated service. just like if you cared about the super bowl, you don't take the ball from tom brady and give it to a disrupter who has never thrown a game before. or if you care about your...

Genius political mind to endorse the democrats. cardi b went right back at her and said leave me alone. i will dog walk you. and alexandria ocasio-cortez defending cardi b, noting they're both from the bronx and saying, quote, why do people think they cansx women without getting roasted? i wonder what you make is a shift in the discourse and also we're seeing women in power, women in culture standing up and having these debates. >> sure. well, this isn't about bronx women or brooklyn women. i was born there. it's really about the state of the nation at the moment. and certainly a rapper has a ...

Hart. the director of "the front runner" based on the book of mr. bai. welcome to both of you. all right. mat b ai, gary hart, it's funny to go back to 1987 he drops out, that is now 31 years ago. i think about when you and i began covering campaign politics in the clinton era. this would be the equivalent of trying to tell somebody about barry goldwater's rise. >> sure. >> yeah. >> right? >> right. >> they're probably too young -- >> they don't remember it. >> they remember or remember it wrongly. there are misperceptions about the story that, you know, are sort of seared into our collective ...

Author of the book, all the truth is out, the week it went tabloid, the story of jason harte. the director of "the front runner" based on the book of mr. bai. welcome to both of you. all right. matt bai, gary harte, it's funny to go back to 1987 he drops out, that is now 31 years ago. i think about when you and i began covering campaign politics in the clinton era. this would be the equivalent of trying to tell somebody about barry goldwater's rise. >> they're probably too young -- >> they don't remember it. >> they remember or remember it wrongly. there are misperceptions about the story that...

Trap only exists if he chooses to lie. >> now jonathan lemire, the question for you which may call for a judgment, what is greater do you think in the trump camp? the fear of a subpoena or the fear of perjury? >> i think they're worried about both. i mean, they believe they have legal arguments to protect them against a subpoena. they dent believe that the department of justice in the code there that mueller is certainly a buy the book prosecutor, and we believe that they believe that they would not for that. perhaps it's perjury. everyone, as i reported before, people around the president jus...