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Rid of debt tax and alternative minimum tax, it goes on and on. there's a lot of specific in here. >> yeah, this is really an exercising growth economics in that the reforms you're talking about are immediate permanent and enough to -- deep enough to improve incentives. this is a plan to get us out of 1 to 2% growth rut and this is why wages aren't rising and businesses aren't investing and standards of living aren't going up. >> dan, the fact is that we tried this before and most notably during reagan years, the tax cuts during reagan years did not kick until 1983 and if you look at a chart o...

Bank knows, you are getting nothing for having your money in the bank. that's what it means when interest rates are zero. that's the bad news about zero interest rates. good news, you've had cheap car loans, cheaper mortgages, cheaper variable debt like on credit cards and that was supposed to be good for the economy. will it happen today? will they finally raise interest rates? when they do, loans will be more expensive. if you need to refinance your mortgage, i suggest you do it today. if you're on the fence of buying a home, i suggest you do it today. they don't know if it will happen today...

Suing to have the president enforce now. there is a bit of irony in this. >> rick, can you answer for me where you see this year in presidential politics? i ask that as a key to the debate the party on immigration, the party on foreign policy, national security policy and these grassroots issues on health care. >> i talked about it across the country. we're a very divided country right now. that's not necessarily a bad thing. we're having really good debates on national security, other thins. what we need is a positive decision. won reason i wrote the book is to provide a positive way forward....

Security policy, and then these kinds of grassroots issues on health care and the like. >> yeah, this is -- i talked about it across the country. we're a very divided party right now and i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. we're having really good debates within the party about our position on national security, our position on immigration, a whole lot of other things. what we need though is a positive vision. one of the reasons i wrote "blue collar conservatives" just recently was to provide a positive way forward for the conservative movement because right now we're arguing about a...

Critiquing the nature of the obama recovery. even if you don't think barack obama is actually responsible for it, his best message was always, there's a lot of people out of work, a lot of people long-term unemployed, wages aren't rising, but he could never convincingly make that case or stick with it. >> at the same time, chris, we haven't been able to make the case that this government has been shedding jobs for the first time since we've had a recovery and a recession. >> 600,000 down, by the way. >> the new normal is americans are disconnected from the political system because the congress...