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4 . Put it in chapter 4 . Any views from the commissioners to put that in chapter 4 . We can move to that in chapter 4. Then i think the changes that are being proposed for section 3 are to flip section 2 iii b and to add unless impracticable after next regular meeting, in 1b1. Is there a motion to adopt Decision Point 3 with those changes . So moved. We took Public Comment on that section. Is there a second . Second. All in favor . Aye. Opposed . Motion passes. Chapter 4. Aside from adding the language from page 14 of attachment b, any other comments from the commissioners on Decision Point 4...

With respect to the two different standards voting whether its three commissioners vote and that there is no violation or vote there is a fining of a violation, that has to do with the burden of proof, because in a showcause hearing that the respondent bears the burden of finding that there is no violation, we, the commission, will be voting on whether he has met that burden of showing that there is no violation. And that is what requires the threevote majority. On the flipside, when were handling something pursuant to chapter 3, we are voting to determine if there was a violation and therefor...

The current draft does not contain that language and i would like to see the subject reintroduced, but i suggest that the commission require audio and or video recordings of all such sessions with the recordings to be made available for inhall camera review as to whether questions arise of incould have hail discussions or acs have taken place during those closed sessions . X and im still generally david pillpa and generally committed or should be. [ laughter ] let me go to item b, without complicating this section, unnecessarily, we have seen complaints about investigative files. I dont know h...

Things. Its just adds a personal level of procedure, that you dont necessarily need to go through, if everyone is here. But it wont take that long for everyone to do it. I think its a good point. I certainly dont want to add additional, unnecessary procedural requirements. Where would we add that . I would take just the last sentence of the paragraph, that starts, each commissioner who participates. Now you are looking at attachment b . Right. Page 14, section b, the last sentence. So that would read, each commissioner who participates in the decision, but has not attended the entirety of the ...

Almost everybody else. Right although we were excluding anybody that would come before us and would be presenting evidence or making argument. The only circumstance excuse me, sorry. The only circumstance i could see would be and you and commissioner studley whether the chair and vicechair need to talk prior to a hearing about the running of whatever matter is going to come before the commission and whether we should place whether that would be a limitation on the chair and vicechair, just talking about how to conduct the matter going forward. That is a good point. So i wonder if that is taken...