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>> the point is you take these issues away from democracy and you are throwing them into the courts. pursuant to -- it may be my educational background, but i can only describe it social -- >> it's a measure how unfair the map is, how much it burdens -- >> can you say this? don't agree with me just because it sounds favorable. he won't in two minutes. answer the chief justice's question and say the reason they lost is because party a wins a majority of votes, party a controls the legislature. that seems fair. if party a loses a majority of votes, it still controls the legislature. that doesn't...

Can only describe it social -- >> it's a measure how unfair the map is, how much it burdens -- >> can you say this? don't agree with me just because it sounds favorable. he won't in two minutes. answer the chief justice's question and say the reason they lost is because party a wins a majority of votes, party a controls the legislature. that seems fair. if party a loses a majority of votes, it still controls the legislature. that doesn't seem fair. >> if the supreme court holds that something is unconstitutional and federal courts can deal with the problem, then that holding applies across the...

Exonerate what i've done. it's a fine line but i think that's what doj's defense is shaping up to be. >> shannon: sounds like both sides, they characterize it as they felt threatened. both sides through their weight around. i will subpoena you. no, i will subpoena you. there's been a huge breakdown. these are coequal branches o government. >> that's exactly right. there's always going to be tension between congress and the justice department but rarely if ever does it deteriorate to this level. what strikes me as analogous to is when you are litigating against an opposing party a you're both m...

That. are republicans tough and smart as he suggests? >> i think we are definitely as a party a very tough party and we are certainly smart. the question is are we good at marketing. that question needs to be answered by proofing to the american people that the successes we have seen from a policy percentective we ought to highlight that. we can't allow fake news to create this barrage that requires us to respond to every single thing that comes out of the fake news media machine. we need to be focusing on the fact that for the first time since 2000 we have unemployment rates under 4%. that fo...

Door. >> you mentioned senator chuck grassley, senator lindsey graham said it would blow up the committee. they've stayed back and tried to bite their tongues about all of this. i get back to the point the president's deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, a career prosecutor who approved the subpoenas, bob mueller came to him and put some level of threshold evidence before him that we have reason to ask for these documents. >> right. and the other thing i want to add about the senate and the house, for that matter, this is close to an election year. the closer we get to november, it could af...