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Is discussing that with don mcgahn illegal? is asking his white house council advice -- >> -- let's just say again the president says we didn't discuss it. and don mcgahn says we did. it's not illegal to have discussed it, so there would be no reason for the president to lie. that's just his recollection. but if you have a prosecutor that's out to get you. and wants to select the truth in the way chuck todd thinks can you determine the truth. >> martha: either it was discussed or wasn't discussed. the two different people in the room can argue over what they each meant, right. >> only way you ...

>> ryan there referring to his visit to the white house today before mitch mcconnell was on speakerphone. they felt they had sold the president on this bill. it's another remind for people on the hill that speaks for this president expect this president. >> this does highlight wen adviser to the president come out and talk about his position, we don't foe that this is the case because this is this third or fourth time that we have seen a major issue like this, the president come out and contradict exactly what his adviser said. as you're pointing out it's also a credibility problem for republi...