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Knowing what the unintended consequences might be. yes, we could get rid of saddam hussein, but that destabilize the entire region. yes, we could get rid of gadhafi, a terrible dictator, but that created a vacuum for isis. >> and the reason that matters is that throughout the evening, shannon, we heard the candidates talk about isis in iraq and syria. but really that's chapter one and they've already moved on to chapter two. chapter two, based on our reporting, is in africa, and libya is really ground zero for that operation. it was her policy that created that vacuum and opened the door. and ...

This is pretty simple if he has these problems how confident are you in knowing what his mind set is. >> what do you say to those who say this is political correctness or there is a political motivation to not label something as terrorism because it doesn't play into the administration's line that things are more under control than they may be? >> well, you know, i would just agree with everything that phil has said. these things are complicated. remember the d.c. sniper case, the two guys who killed a number of people in the washington, d.c. area. they made a passing reference to osama bin la...

Had bi-polar disease or substance abuse problems. we can't immediately discern whether it is a terror act. this is pretty simple if he has these problems how confident are you in knowing what his mind set is. >> what do you say to those who say this is political correctness or there is a political motivation to not label something as terrorism because it doesn't play into the administration's line that things are more under control than they may be? >> well, you know, i would just agree with everything that phil has said. these things are complicated. remember the d.c. sniper case, the two guy...

Administration. everyone knows that isis grew out of al qaeda in iraq, and al qaeda wasn't in iraq until we invaded in 2003 and dismantled the military. >> now -- go ahead. >> please. >> let me bring that point up, because i want to play this. he did mention his brother ordered the decision to invade iraq, which you referred to, but he made a passing reference to the, quote, failures of intelligence. listen to this. >> in a long experience that includes failures of intelligence and military setbacks, one moment stands out in memory as the turning point we had all been waiting for. and that was...

And knew he'd have to resign. he identified bridget kelly, bill stepien and others who knew, claiming he had the e-mails to prove it. he mentioned it to the governor, himself, at a public event during the lane realignment. here's where the governor's lawyers earn their million bucks. are you ready? this is a reference that the governor doesn't recall, and even if actually made, it would not have registered with the governor in any event because he knew nothing about this decision in advance and would not have considered another traffic issue at one of the bridges or tunnels to be memorable. in...