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Where law enforcement has all of the power and none of the accountability. that's a system that's ripe for abuse and that's exactly when we're seeing. >> and as a lawyer, what kinds of charges do you think should be even be considered? how about lying to an fbi official who as we know that that's been applied in past cases? >> absolutely. there was a list yesterday put out of the possible charges. again, the question is whether or not we'll care enough to follow up on the actions we can take. do we care enough? >> rachel denhollander, thank you for your bravery and thank you for being such a p...

That will end up ones a car night. it always happens, it's great. we have become a premier award season. >> pretty exciting. >> before we go to break, i want to just take a pause and remember an american icon. a path breaker who never forgot her origins. she died at the age of 74 after complications from a spinal cord injury in 2015. she was awarded five gram mys, and she became the youngest person at the time to be a kennedy center honoree. she never forgot her roots. renowned as a classical opera star, she sang at ground zero

Consequential. >> and reports the white house is worried about booker -- your reaction. >> about booker. klobuchar as well as harris. they don't mention bernie or beto. >> they wake ep every day in this white house and think about four states. pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and wisconsin. >> okay. who's most dangerous among those states? >> why they're worried about amy klobuchar, an upper midwet thing. not such a hard progressive she can't scooch herself a little bit into that center left lane. but they worry about her. they do worry about harris a little bit, because they understand that there...

Incredibly celebrated and a decorated veteran in the armed services, a path breaker in counterintelligence, and particularly counterinsurgency when he was posted in afghanistan and other places, what do you think happened here? >> well, i think mike always had a very independent streak and did things his way. he also, i think, was -- came across in some respects as arrogant in terms of his thinking. but again to somebody who was respected for his accomplishments in uniform. i think, though, that he, like others who were caught up in the trump administration whirlwind, i think got carried away ...

>> well, i think the feeling was that michael, although he had a very, very laudable military career in intelligence, his tenure at dia was not his most accomplished time. and his engagements and activities after he retired from the military were of concern. they were public and there were things that he had been doing. but i think a number of people had worked with mike over the years, and president obama sought the counsel of individuals who knew mike and president obama knew him as well. knew of his reputation. and just said that he was not the right person to be the national security advis...