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Attacked anita hill. >> and it bothers me because -- because she appears to believe everything that she said. and i myself don't want to call her a liar. but as an old trial leader i've seen witnesses like that that believe every word they say and every word they say is wrong and we've proven it wrong and they still believe it. >> that man who didn't want to call anita hill a liar is himself a liar tonight. said he didn't want to call anita hill a liar and then called her a liar. he went onto describe her right there some kind of hysterical, pathological liar. a liar who still thinks its true ...

Anita hill a liar and then called her a liar. he went onto describe her right there some kind of hysterical, pathological liar. a liar who still thinks its true even after we proved to her what's she's saying is not true. orrin hatch has never proved she's lying. and when he tells the lie that there is no reason for the fbi to investigate this new information -- >> i want you to order an fbi investigation. i want an investigation by real appropriate non-senate staffers. i want some people who aren't affiliated with the senate to look into this matter because i think that's the only way even ha...

Been, which is michael cohen is alleging something that donald trump had knowledge of the trump tower meeting and the trump side is saying that is totally untrue so you have both sides being represented in cohen and trump by people known not to tell the truth and you leave it up to others to decide what here can be believed until an actual agreed upon fact pattern can be reached. >> jeffrey, this is why this entire episode is so tailor made for what this is which is ultimately a political process, righting? so you have unsavory characters, lots of lying going on, the specter of michael cohen. ...

Became president a pathological liar. if you believe the theory that the leaks have come from the trump camp, that would hold that this is some of the worst, most damaging stuff cohen has to tell the feds. but your reporting tonight is that cohen is sitting on top of a, quote, treasure trove. is that a promise or a threat, or did they not characterize that? >> i think it's both. i think there is a combination of things that is happening right now. cohen had been preparing since early july for the onslaught that we are now seeing. he had heard word from people in the president's orbit that this...

Savaging mr. cohen at times could affect people's opinions of him and thus jurors? >> well, i don't put a lot of credence into that, ari, because, as you know, when it comes to jury selection, the court can guard against any bias that a juror may come to the court with. and usually does guard against that. you know, it's interesting to me that michael cohen's attorney was arguing so vehemently that i should be gagged and should not be able to speak openly. and look at rudy giuliani's comments last night about michael cohen on chris cuomo's show, he called him a pathological liar, he's been say...