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Laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all americans. >> conroy told "the new york times" after that prayer, a paul ryan staffer came down and said, we are upset with this prayer, you are getting too political. and that ryan himself then told him, padre, you just got to stay out of politics. joining me now, charlie pierce, writer at large at esquire and kristi mcgrier. charlie, already shaking your head. why? >> well, i just don't think there's anything more paul ryan can screw up in this job. firing the chaplain? i -- i -- this is unprecedented to me. i go back, by the way, in event of epi...

Democrats and republicans in the house are outraged after paul ryan's unexplained dismissa dismissal of the chaplain about the house. they sent a letter about the forced resignation of patrick j. conroy. ryan's office won't say on the record why conroy was effectively fired. the chaplain pointed to a prayer he gave on the house floor during the debate over the gop tax cuts. >> as legislation on taxes continues to be debated this week and next, may all members be mindful that the institutions and structures of our great nation guarantee the opportunities that have allowed some to achieve great ...

With this sermon, considering when the republicans were trying to sell us this tax bill said that this was something that would help all americans. so now, his sermon, which i would say mimics some of what the republicans were trying to sell to the american public, you're now saying is too political. >> i just want to be clear, here. that the official -- this is -- i want to read the ryan office statement. i want to give them their due here. they are saying, the speaker made the decision he believes to be in the best interest of the house, and he remains grateful for father conroy's many years...

Male. someone who has kids, who understands the job. ands, w and also, why do we just have a christian chaplain? i've been a part of many universities where they'll have a buddhist chaplain, a catholic chaplain, a christian, a muslim. sometimes they'll have up to 12 to 20 chaplains. >> they have a chaplain's office in a university. it's nice. >> what's really frustrating is paul ryan can never get his lies straight, but when you sold that tax bill to the american public or sort of pitched it, before they voted, it was ostensibly to make everything equitable for all americans. no winners and no...

>> i just want to be clear, here. that the official -- this is -- i want to read the ryan statement. i want to give them their due here. they are saying, the speaker made the decision he believes to be in the best interest of the house, and he remains grateful for father conroy's many years of service. that's on the record. officials if that office will say, we had nothing to do with the prayer. this is all getting blown out of proportion, yada yada. >> but we also have to look at the republicans who are following up saying, well, you know, maybe we need to find someone who is a religious pers...