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Cost effective for them to put their people in the exchange and pay the fine. >> correct. >> rather than -- and then you're talking about -- >> well, that would be -- you mean people who would drop below the 50 level? >> no, no, no. companies that decide it's more cost effective to not provide the insurance. >> yeah. >> to get those people back into the exchange and pay the fine so that -- >> right. >> so thereby they lose -- >> for companies with less than 50 employees who are not currently covered by the mandate, yes. that's all prospective, as if we could think about how san employer going ...

Pinochios. and think about this. if as was pointed out by senator johnson sick people sign up. and well people look you want and say thousands for deductibles that i will never reach. i will go and pay the penalty for the first few years and as a result of that, insurance companies will raise premiums and as they do that, fewer people will sign up in the out years and that is a spiral of death for the whole plan which is what president obama wants. he wants a single payer system like the uk and canada and that is disastrous for americans. >> simon you see it with 7 million signed up including ...

Single pair system -- single payer system could make sense. >> a heavy lift. i would have preferred sicking payer or public option. >> obamacare is a step in the right direction but far from something that will work. >> people will work beyond insurance. >> absolutely, yes. >> i'm all for a singling payer system. >> i happen to be a proponent of single payer. >> we cannot get to university heck -- universal healthcare, which i believe is a core democratic value and imperative for our country. >> guy benson says this is why obamacare was desigield, and richard says if the democrats wanted a sub...

Young people and healthy people end up paying more for something they don't need as often. as older people and sicker people. that's not one of them. that's, core to any insurance, national insurance system or nonnational insurance system we can conceive of. >> carl, it becomes very clear in your piece that you prefer, you would prefer a single payer system. certainly, as i would. many others would. your problem in this market, at $30 t you c $30,000, you cannot afford $1,800 in premiums. and then that is just if you never get sick and never use the health care system at all. if you use the he...

Rob ford, it is the season moving on, colin powell is chimeing in on health care saying he supports a single payer system. powell made the remark at a breakfast of prostate health providers. he says, in part, quote, i don't see why we can't do what europe is doing, what canada is doing, what korea is doing, what all these other places are doing. i think universal health care is one of the things we should rally be focusing on and i hope that will happen. critics of a single payer system argue it will lead to rationing of medical care. a lot of those countries have private and public health car...