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Baseball players do you think are using --s >> it's less than ever before.ng >> give me a number. >> i don't know.or i >> 20%? 25%? >> i don't know. >> my point is this, if 20 or 25% of the league and are using ped's -- >> eric, he's clearly cheating and that's why -- >> why go after a-rod? >> that's great question.r he got a suspension. everybody, he goes through the arbitration process, which he's in the middle of and he decides, that's not good enough. i'm suing baseball for going after me, andrea. you can't just go out of the rules, while saying the union is protecting me! and i'm notnd, r...

Opinion is right now. >> right. it is not like a jury of his peers is going to be deciding this. chris davis on the baltimore oriels is having a fantastic season and never failed a drug test. because of a-rod, braun and others many accuse him of using p.e.d.'s. has the game of baseball been tarnished yet again? >> fans have gotten very cynical and for good reason. there were qleers, decades, >> there were years, decades where they were using them. they pr probably on steroids. >> didn't chris go from 50 home runs to 40 home runs a year? >> and he is huge and looks like a beefed up guy. he has ...

Opinion is right now. >> right. it is not like a jury of his peers is going to be deciding this. chris davis on the baltimore oriels is having a fantastic season and never failed a drug test. because of a-rod, braun and others many accuse him of using p.e.d.'s. has the game of baseball been tarnished yet again? >> fans have gotten very cynical and for good reason. there were qleers, decades, >> there were years, decades where they were using them. they pr probably on steroids. >> didn't chris go from 50 home runs to 40 home runs a year? >> and he is huge and looks like a beefed up guy. he has ...

The pastime, ben? >> i think it was. it was a very sad weekend in cooperstown we just had with the induction of three deceased people into the hall of fame. obviously this is the fallout from the steroid era in which everybody is presumed guilty, even guys like mike piazza, who have not been firmly tied to ped's. very sad. they'll have to consider how the legacy will be moving forward. >> brian: look at brian braun, he flat out lied to us. we got him on tape saying there is no way i did it. he did. he'll still get 10 million next year and 12 million the next year after that. do you think if yo...

Ped's. he looked at it as part of the race and it is an element in the competition. why not make that part of the definition. >> that's great logic. >> what, does it make you a star? >> if every other hurdler is running over them, aren't you going to start not jumping over them too? >> everybody is doing it. again i think in his case he was running campaigns to destroy people who are accusing him. he went out of his way to kill anyone who made the insin you >> i do it for money. >> thank you, andy. i'm done. >> see you at the end. >> coming up, what is up with things and stuff? we will investi...