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The very next second he could be having an outburst and be hurting someone. and it just comes out of nowhere. you don't ever give up because you never know what's going to work today that didn't work yesterday. >> the challenges are understanding what makes a kid react before he thinks. it can get to the point that when they strike out it can go from one victim to multiple victims over a candy bar. next, on "lockup pendleton juvenile," from teenage troublemaker to pendleton role model. can this longtime offender hold the key to keeping kids out of prison. >> one of my biggest fears is growin...

Committed a sex crime on them. and you can't tell me that the 12 or 13-year-old knows really what they're doing. and i think that's why i have such a huge heart for these kids as opposed to adults who has committed a sex offense and they're 50, 60 years old, because they know better. >> are you having any trouble seeing or feel dizzy or anything? nothing? okay. >> you have to have a thick skin. you really do. i get called every name under the sun except for my real name, but they're kids. this is their normal, and that's what's so sad to me. this is their normal. and it just -- it shouldn't be...

Money for it. >> out of 12 messages i had today, 7 messages had to do with behavior problems going on in the unit. >> stephanie roberts is a psychiatric social services counselor in pendleton's d-9 unit. over the past week, d-9 has had its share of trouble. >> we've had people battering staff, we've had people urinating under doors. we've had a lot going on. so i want to see from your guys's perspective what is going on in this unit that is leading to this negative behavior and how can we change it. >> a lot of them have had lives that you and i would never -- we might not survive through. you...

Committed a sex crime on them and you can't tell me that the 12 or 13-year-old knows really what they're doing, and i think that's why i have such a huge heart for these kids as opposed to adults who have committed a sex offense and they're 50, 60 years old, because they know better. >> are you having any trouble seeing or earring? >> you have to have a thick skin. you really do. i get called every name under the sun except for my real name, but they're kids. this is their normal, and that's what's so sad to me. this is their normal, and it shouldn't be that way. but, unfortunately, for a lot ...

>> of all the offenders behind bars at pendleton juvenile, 19-year-old jacob shauntee is one of the most perplexing for staff. >> every time staff does something, you don't agree with it, this is what you do, you cut or tie or something, don't you? every time. because you just want everything to be fair, right? sorry, buddy. >> get this one right here on top. >> he's done it before, and it's shocking. his nail bed is purple. that's pretty bad. like i said, he's done it before. >> just two weeks ago, officers and medical staff had their hands full with jacob during a meltdown in a time-out cell...